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dreamer12345 01-27-2024 02:03 PM

Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 
I've outlined the potential sticking points w/DACA holders who are not under congressionally approved protections that this bill may supersede in a court challenge

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/26/polit...der/index.html

cliffs:

- Mandatory detention of all single adults.

- Mandatory “shut down” of border once average daily migrant encounters hits 5,000. Importantly, this 5,000 number includes 1,400 CBP One app entries at ports of entry per day, and roughly 3,600 illegal crossings per day.

- How is that enforced? Once the 5,000 threshold is hit, a new authority is codified into law that requires Border Patrol to immediately remove illegal immigrants they catch without processing. They would not get to request asylum, they would immediately be removed. This includes removals back to Mexico, and deportations to home countries....

- This “shut down” also takes effect is there are 8,500 migrant encounters in a single day.

- The “shut down” would not lift the next day. It wouldn’t lift until daily encounters are reduced to under 75% of the 5,000 threshold for at least two weeks. This means the “shut down” authority would not lift until two weeks of an average of less than 3,750 migrant encounters per day.

- Some family units will be released with ATD (Alternatives to Detention, ankle monitors etc).

- New removal authority to immediately remove all migrants who do not have valid asylum claims, which will be determined within 6 months rather than the years long process we have right now.

- Any migrant caught trying to cross twice during “shut down” phase would be banned from entering US for one year.

hDreamer1988 01-27-2024 04:59 PM

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 
The deal is already declared dead, so the terms don't matter anymore. These terms were too soft for Trump and the House conservatives. The next bill will be even worse and if the GOP takes control, all non-citizen/Green card holders will suffer.

leo86 01-28-2024 01:38 PM

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 
Trump is looking strong in this election.

beingoflight 01-28-2024 03:26 PM

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leo86 (Post 771289)
Trump is looking strong in this election.

He WILL come back, will win with landslide this time. be glad Ramaswami and De Santis dropped out. our safest option is Trump winning like it or not.

Nexus 01-28-2024 04:28 PM

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by beingoflight (Post 771291)
He WILL come back, will win with landslide this time. be glad Ramaswami and De Santis dropped out. our safest option is Trump winning like it or not.

Absolutely, it wasn't perfect but the 100% fact is that DACA was being discussed openly to be included as part of the immigration solution under Trump and part of the negotiations under the previous immigration deals. It may be uncomfortable for some because "orange man bad" but the most talks we had about a DACA solution was under Trump and not Biden.. Irony of it all.

The current "deal" that is not a great deal at all and doesn't do anything to really fix the border or immigration. This doesn't help us at all.

Transcend 01-29-2024 11:30 AM

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 
Dreamers and longtime undocumented truly got pushed under the bus in this deal!

Democrats got concessions like green cards for Documented Dreamers and Afghans.

dreamer12345 01-29-2024 06:35 PM

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nexus (Post 771293)
Absolutely, it wasn't perfect but the 100% fact is that DACA was being discussed openly to be included as part of the immigration solution under Trump and part of the negotiations under the previous immigration deals. It may be uncomfortable for some because "orange man bad" but the most talks we had about a DACA solution was under Trump and not Biden.. Irony of it all.

The current "deal" that is not a great deal at all and doesn't do anything to really fix the border or immigration. This doesn't help us at all.

DACA killed under Trump

"hey guise, guise, they were talking about how they killed DACA" Holy herp derp batman.

vft1008 01-30-2024 10:31 AM

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 
It's like clockwork. People are so ignorant and stupid.
The new year begins, it happens to be an election year, and bam! All of a sudden, the "crisis at the border" takes the spotlight again. Why can people see this republican playbook move year that keeps getting recycled over and over.

Nexus 01-30-2024 08:13 PM

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 771299)
It's like clockwork. People are so ignorant and stupid.
The new year begins, it happens to be an election year, and bam! All of a sudden, the "crisis at the border" takes the spotlight again. Why can people see this republican playbook move year that keeps getting recycled over and over.

To be fair, there is an actual mess at the border and it has been highlighted before 2024 and is not new. Record number of illegal crossings has been happening for awhile now. Even Democrats are calling it out that it is not sustainable.

Let's not be ignorant to the fact that Democrats campaigned on helping dreamers and immigrants, let's call out both sides. Where is the hard push for us from the politicians that made their campaign promises?

It's easy to blame republicans but we should be holding Dems accountable too.

vft1008 01-30-2024 11:02 PM

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nexus (Post 771300)
To be fair, there is an actual mess at the border and it has been highlighted before 2024 and is not new. Record number of illegal crossings has been happening for awhile now. Even Democrats are calling it out that it is not sustainable.

Let's not be ignorant to the fact that Democrats campaigned on helping dreamers and immigrants, let's call out both sides. Where is the hard push for us from the politicians that made their campaign promises?

It's easy to blame republicans but we should be holding Dems accountable too.

Nothing new to see or discuss. Same shit, different toilet.
There is no hard push for us because there are no votes! What, are we going to hold our breath on Sinema and Manchin?


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