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#17
05-10-2009, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by OptimistinDenial View Post
Again, there is no point of pulling the hairs out of the head. Just because a newspaper is conservative and free, it does not mean they are lying. They are simply giving the facts as they see them. Combined with the liberal newspapers, once analyzed, you get the truth.

Also, if CIR is off the table, it does not mean DA is on the table or becomes a priority. It might as well, happen what happened in 2007 when after the failure of CIR, very few organizations and politicians pull the necessary muscle to pass DA. Our campions decided that DA was too small to be worth the effort and the risk.

DA is going to become a priority if we work hard to put it on the politicians consciousness and making it a priority. If DA passes attach to CIR is because we were lazy and pro-CIR groups got us there.

It does not matter how good, nice, attractive, gifted, smart you are. Bills get pass by people who roll their sleeves and do the hard work of creating power to make it so.
Really? There is a limit to what we can do; we are undocumented afterall. I think the work some people have done for the Dream Act is incredible given the circumstances. Personally, I want to do more, but the time and resources haven't been there. Of course, since the semester is almost over, there should be a pick up in action, but If I had any sort of legal status, I would move to D.C., and campaign for the DA as much as I could. That of course isn't the case. Anyway, we fall into the 17-30 age range. How do you expect the younger part of that group to forget about school, magically get a driver's license, and start campaigning? This is the "Achllie's Heel" of the DA. Please remember that.

I also think the lazy remark is misplaced. Look at how thinks are done in the Senate. There are very few bills passed standalone. Actually, there are very few bills passed in Senate in general. I think less than 1% percent of bills introduced in the Senate actually end up passing. I think in President O's book, he said in 2004, only 12 bills actually passed the senate. Senators know this so they usually attach bills to larger bills. That is just how it is. This is why people say, "Lets do it comprehensively." They know it would be difficult to do each piece individually so they "band together." Sad thing is when the comprehensive option is off the table, as what happened to CIR in 2007, as you said, "Very few politicians and organizations will pull their muscle to pass the DA." Interestingly, the DA didn't need to muscle in 2007 since it still came up for a vote. There just wasn't any time.

Finally, you seem to be in favor of the comprehensive option. That is great, I am not against it either. What I am against is when bills are held back from passing, because people want them to pass comprehensively. So, if CIR will happen this year, let it happen. If it isn't, then trust me, if I see CIR advocates hold the DA back this year, then I will not support a comprehensive option in the future.
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