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07-14-2012, 05:11 AM
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Yet travel documents have only existed in the past few decades, and only seriously took hold after WW2. Was England not a country till then? I'd love you to tell Iran that although their national history goes back several thousand years they weren't a country till they began to issue passports for their citizens and demand visas of foreigners.
Ever since then, the information area has changed everything. We can no longer admit unauthorized individuals inside a particular country. For example, the State of Israel must continuously patrol its borders and airports to make sure no one is a threat to the welfare and safety of the nation. As of today, most countries on the face of the earth have borders and are recognized on a map, if you care to buy one or go online and look at one. That map shows you where one country starts and ends. Simple as that.

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The issue here is the state school system and how it's funded. Not immigration. Nor is crowding really an issue. There is still plenty of land available in the United States. We're only a bit smaller than the PRC in land size, (or larger - depends on how you include disputed regions) yet have a much smaller population.
It is quite sad to see someone, who I presume to be in their late 20s, late 30s, not be concern for the enviorenment. The more people this country has, the more demand there will be for land, food, and energy. All this requires oil at our current level and way of feeding our energy and food needs. We shouldn't encourage more building of cities or suburbs. We should encourage everyone to be limited in their reproductions.

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The brilliant part though is that prices will discourage over crowding. Once a city's cost of living becomes too great people will move to a different city, or even go rural. Or in many cases people will not move to the USA at all as they elect to move elsewhere. All of this already occurs.
The brilliant part of this is that it is ridiculously false and ignorant of the true problems of overcrowding. Look at inner city fighting. Inner city fighting and violence arises from a population that has low education and less opportunities than the rest of its area. Overcrowding is bad for the development of healthy, sustainable societies. The idea that we can continue to multiply and expect the "market" to settle it all out is insanely irresponsible.

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Not entirely wrong. More importantly though the USA offers more opportunities for those who come.
The idea is not to encourage more immigration of low skilled workers, which will give you cheaper services and products, but will damage future generations because of the poor education these kids receive from their parents and low property tax neighborhoods where low skilled workers live, which in turn under fund the school system that supports these kids.

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My loyalty is to California, but to each his own.
Since when is California not part of the USA? Whatever is decided in the federal government directly affects people in California. If the USA is invaded, will California save you? You truly are a radical. And you have a constitutional guarantee to be, just like people that continue to believe that the world is flat. You are every right to be wrong...


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Why are we special?
Because we are a special case that has fallen through the cracks of this countries broken immigration system. I don't consider myself the same as a 22 year old immigrant that crosses the border to find work here. I grew up here, thinking I could be part of this society and enjoy all rights and liberties. That 22 year old immigrant only wants to work and provide for his family back home. He doesn't care or has the time to care about this country or its future or its culture.

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You needn't force anyone to learn a language though. If it is to their benefit they will learn it. If it isn't, then they won't. McDonalds doesn't give a damn if you know English or not. If it's worthwhile for them to have employees who speak a given language they'll hire one. A dollar is a dollar regardless what language(s) it's owner know. Similarly migrants already have an incentive to learn the dominant language of the region.
I work at McDonald's and it is sad that corporations will do ANYTHING to make money, even undermine this country's heritage. I never said I would force them to learn English. I am just saying that if they want to be legalized and be part of the nation legally, then learn the dominant language...period!


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Nope. You've simply weighed the costs of learning a language and decided it's more than the benefits.
It's more than benefits and figures. It's about actually feeling part of this country. You obviously are too detached from emotion because your answers are purely "logical." You forget that we are people and as people, tend to fall in love with things. I fallen in love with America. If that makes me and ethnocentrism, than so be it.

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I sir am no hippie. I know few at least who wear a suit every day. I certainly do not sing cumbayah with anyone. I like Nine Inch Nails myself.
It wasn't meant to be literal. Learn to joke my friend

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And what's this about not wanting laws? I like laws. I'm not advocating people to kill one another. What I'm advocating against is stupid legislation, which there happens to be a lot of.
If you liked laws, than you would not be against laws that require people to have some type of document before entering another country.

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I do love California. I merely point out its flaws. Apparently you find flaws in your country as well, hence your modifier that it isn't perfect. If you can love your country with flaws, why can't I? What's the logic you're using there? Can one only point out certain flaws?
I don't see why you continue to say you love California when in fact your constitution protections stem from the US Constitution, not California alone.

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If I, for example, point out the idiocy of traffic laws, do I still love my country? Is that okay? Or is that unpatriotic? What can I critic and remain patriotic? Please I'm interested to learn.
I never said no one was patriotic or not. I can just say that there are more patriotic people than others. And you aren't very patriotic. You forget that you are in this country and that this country ultimately will decide OUR fate as undocumented DREAMers.
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