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10-02-2012, 09:02 PM
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chlehqls
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Originally Posted by kabs View Post
Listen, immigration is the 3rd rail of politics. Nobody wants to touch it. GWB tried for Comprehensive Immigration reform although that mess was half-hearted (remember the failure of 2007).
This is true. Immigration will never, EVER get first priority. History has shown it is only done when it's the least riskiest for the two parties involved.

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Obama and the Democrats had a STRONG majority from 2008 - 2010 and they didn't get it done in 2010 either. Obama could have easily issued an Executive Order after the failure of the Dream Act in 2010, 2011, etc. It wasn't as if people did not talk about this as an option.
Refer to this article. They indeed did have a strong majority, but the Senate was always the problem. Blame the so called, "Bluedog" Democrats that are just as bad as Republicans in most ways but they also "stand" up to the President. Many immigration advocates criticize Obama for "easily" passing Healthcare but not the DREAM act, but in reality it was spearheaded solely through the House (DREAM act did pass the House) which is why Immigration advocates can't blame Obama for it but the Bluedog so called, "Democrats."

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Why do it now... in June? Right after Marco Rubio was all talk about the STARS Act? Ironically, only he started talking about immigration right before the elections too. Then of COURSE the Republican party started running their anti-immigration stance back since they didn't want to look like chumps in FL.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the STARS Act was the brainchild of Rep. Rivera and NOT the plans of Rubio which he desperately wanted to be his own "DREAM" act. Though, in a way, they both embody much of the same ideas, but Rubio claimed he wanted temporary status for most of us, and not the limiting STARS or ARMS acts.

I am very confident that Obama had set forth long and arduous deliberations of the whole process we know as DACA right along this year. It's too much of a coincidence that Rubio somehow spurred Obama to come up with something as precise and risky as DACA. My education of Government and politics tell me it's too simple to think that Obama just arbitrarily came up with DACA to "combat" Rubio's schemes. It just doesn't work like that, and I'm sure he deferred to his staff about not only the process of DACA but the severe ramifications of it. You can bet that he went through the legal gaps of how to implement this process as well. It's a bold and risky move no matter how you look at it. I'm not defending his role in the potential of winning the Hispanic vote, no, this was planned a long time, but long before Rubio began his schemes. I agree with your general assessment though, it's pretty accurate that this is how the game of politics work. There may be compassion involved, but often times it's to win. I don't necessarily blame any of them.

I'm just glad that nobody started to explicitly say Obama and Romney are the same and other Libertarian/3rd party hoopla of working with false equivalencies. There's obviously a clear difference especially when it comes to Immigration, that's for sure.

As far as Obama being the best "deporter-in-chief," he did divert resources to find criminal aliens. Yes, some DREAMers were involved in the mess of deportations, but I have yet to see the exact numbers to be remotely horrified by Obama's so called DREAM wrecking actions.
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