DREAM Act Portal Forum - View Single Post - Mitt Romney would allow waivers to children of illegal immigrants

kabs · 10-03-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chlehqls

This is true. Immigration will never, EVER get first priority. History has shown it is only done when it's the least riskiest for the two parties involved.

Refer to this article. They indeed did have a strong majority, but the Senate was always the problem. Blame the so called, "Bluedog" Democrats that are just as bad as Republicans in most ways but they also "stand" up to the President. Many immigration advocates criticize Obama for "easily" passing Healthcare but not the DREAM act, but in reality it was spearheaded solely through the House (DREAM act did pass the House) which is why Immigration advocates can't blame Obama for it but the Bluedog so called, "Democrats."

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the STARS Act was the brainchild of Rep. Rivera and NOT the plans of Rubio which he desperately wanted to be his own "DREAM" act. Though, in a way, they both embody much of the same ideas, but Rubio claimed he wanted temporary status for most of us, and not the limiting STARS or ARMS acts.

I am very confident that Obama had set forth long and arduous deliberations of the whole process we know as DACA right along this year. It's too much of a coincidence that Rubio somehow spurred Obama to come up with something as precise and risky as DACA. My education of Government and politics tell me it's too simple to think that Obama just arbitrarily came up with DACA to "combat" Rubio's schemes. It just doesn't work like that, and I'm sure he deferred to his staff about not only the process of DACA but the severe ramifications of it. You can bet that he went through the legal gaps of how to implement this process as well. It's a bold and risky move no matter how you look at it. I'm not defending his role in the potential of winning the Hispanic vote, no, this was planned a long time, but long before Rubio began his schemes. I agree with your general assessment though, it's pretty accurate that this is how the game of politics work. There may be compassion involved, but often times it's to win. I don't necessarily blame any of them.

I'm just glad that nobody started to explicitly say Obama and Romney are the same and other Libertarian/3rd party hoopla of working with false equivalencies. There's obviously a clear difference especially when it comes to Immigration, that's for sure.

As far as Obama being the best "deporter-in-chief," he did divert resources to find criminal aliens. Yes, some DREAMers were involved in the mess of deportations, but I have yet to see the exact numbers to be remotely horrified by Obama's so called DREAM wrecking actions.

You are completely right about the Blue Dogs! Never been a fan, always been a hater of them

I agree that it really was their fault However, I am honestly more critical about how President Obama squandered his political capital because I don't think his administration properly planned how to politically move his agenda within his first two years in office.

I'm not even thinking about the DREAM Act, but the whole healthcare debacle. He delegated first to Congress which obviously made it a whole mess that dragged on for a year. Once he stepped forward with his plan a year later, he was able to pass it. I do think that those missteps made it more unlikely for the other parts of his agenda to move forward. He took a hit in the November 2010 midterm elections so Congress wasn't too eager to compromise by that time.

As for the who originated the STARS Act, while I know the origin of the alternative was not through Rubio, it was Rubio who was putting his face on it (of course, he was definitely doing it for political reasons) which is why I primarily associate it with him. Most Americans are more familiar with Rubio than Rep. Rivera due to the national spotlight he has received before.

Hmmm, I'm not too sure about how long and arduous deliberations were to do the Executive Order since there had been online discussions about this type of thing for years. It has always been an open possibility. I remain skeptical about this ONLY because the timing was way too "coincidental."

You could very well be right in that it took much longer to understand the mechanisms of how this was going to work and what the administration would have to do to implement them. I don't know for sure. I'm just speculating at this point.