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Originally Posted by Demise
Not really, John found his way into the thread like 2 weeks later when the thread itself has finally died. I saw his response but I didn't feel like arguing with him. I have a voting history analysis, you have a quote from 9 years ago. Responding to it would give his argument any sort of legitimacy.
Only moral of the story is something I realized a long time ago, that everyone is a shitbag when it comes to immigration. Why can't republicans go back to lynching black people?
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Actually, the thread shows that I "found" my "way into the thread" the day after it started. "2 weeks later" is quite an exaggeration (by a factor of 14, to be precise), like "He voted against it because guest workers were being abused" is quite an exaggeration (flat-out untrue, actually). And let's ignore the fact that you had no response to Pianoswithoutfaith either, because otherwise... where's the fun in that?
You have a voting history analysis without an *ounce* of context, and I have quotes ranging from 2007 to July of 2015 that provides that very context. But I guess at the point where I can provide context to how Bernie actually thinks on the topic of immigration (spoiler alert: it ain't pretty), all you can do is grandstand and stretch 24 hours into 2 weeks.
Here's another just a quote. But this one is from 8 months ago, or, as you'd like to call it, (8 months x 14 = 112) 9 years and 4 months ago.
"It would make everybody in America poorer — you're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don't believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs. You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you're a white high school graduate, it's 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids? I think from a moral responsibility we've got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don't do that by making people in this country even poorer."
And they weren't even talking about guest workers. You know what they were talking about? VISA EXPANSIONS (as in, increasing the limits on legal immigration, or even deleting the caps). Or, as Bernie calls it, "doing away with the concept of a nation-state".
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