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Originally Posted by 2Face
There's two things that come to my mind.
1) We don't have a choice because the Republican administration is here. So you calling me thick for supporting it makes zero sense. Do you propose we just go hide in our holes and come back out when a Democrat is elected again?...
2) I'm pretty sure the full consensus here is that under Hillary, only one thing would have happened with us and that is DACA would have been kept alive and just simply the way it is. There's no freakin way in hell Republicans would have signed on to help pass CIR. The woman is hated immensely by even Democrats so you can only imagine how Republicans feel for her...
Simple logic. The man has no intention to deport us. And yes I am cautiously optimistic because he is surrounded by some immigrant haters like Sessions and Pence but knowing the man himself, his background, I actually believe he is going to be forcing McConnell and Ryan (Both who support SOME SORT of immigration reform) to pass legislation.
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EDIT. Got time, re-read. You completely mis-represented my point. And no, it is not the consensus that gridlock therefore a Hillary presidency would be worse - specifically for the reasons outlined above. The obverse is also true, as you say: "There's no freakin way in hell Republicans would have signed on to help pass CIR", even in a Republican administration.
Your hypothetical makes far too many assumptions to answer intelligibly.
So let me repeat, you are thick to think otherwise. And no, nowhere did I mention stubbornly rejecting the present political reality as the rational course of actions. Only what is and isn't likely. But that doesn't mean I have any illusory hopes or false expectations. Nor does it entail some strange Stockholm syndrome to those in power. That was your own red-herring to chase after. I suppose you had nothing else.
"knowing the man himself" - really? Have you personally met him? Have you brushed his knees and served him hot coco? Have you gazed into his eyes and got a sense of his soul - Bush-like? In the final analysis, we base conclusions and the likleyhood of events on the best available evidence.
I suspect DACA in some form will be preserved, but not because he's a humanitarian or cares a jot, but as I said, its just a political layup to do so. To expect anything more is to not live in a fact-based reality.
(Don't get it mixed up, I fervently hope that I am wrong; that Trump and the Republicans do surprise and disappoint my hopes, passing something that is more than presently provided for by DACA).