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Originally Posted by Demise
Barganing process is starting high and working down. If you start with some 20 years for citizenship with republican anti-immigrant measures then you'd end up with Bridge+Raise+Cornyn's Bill.
Regardless of if they're true believers that think that clean DA can happen, or not, starting weak will get you nothing worthwhile. Not giving in to republicans and demanding a clean bill is actually a good strategy for now. Why you may ask?
Government shutdown is close to coming, republicans manage to get some democrats to agree for a CR for two weeks, the matter is now less pressing but still urgent. Now come all the bills getting spammed in (SECURE Act, Flake's Bill, etc). Out of all of them Flake's bill is probably the best so the natural reaction is to go ahead and say "That one", well now this is your negotiating ceiling and it can only go down from here without flipping the table and letting the government shut down.
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Dude,
You knew from the start you were not going to get a clean process. So, one can argue that you contributed to the gridlock when the issue could have been solved earlier.
If this clean bill stuff is a strategy, then when is it that you plan to meet at the middle? Even with a government shutdown, the GOP will still get border security concessions.
Something tells me that "this was a negotiation strategy all along" was an attempt to brainwash people to align and shutup because you still do not explain when negotiating should start happening. If you think that a clean bill push should happen until the last minute on the 22nd, then you are only harming yourself. Negotiations take time.
The way these orgs approached this was crap, and Vote4dream's presence and push for a compromise in D.C. is testimony to that--if not we'd ALLLLLLL be agreeing with you.
Look at the vids and images on Vote4dream's facebook page. Compare that to UWD. Vote4dream has been able to meet and talk with at least 230 or so legislators while a lot of the UWD protestors are being ignored.