Originally Posted by Smooth

Dude,

You knew from the start you were not going to get a clean process. So, one can argue that you contributed to the gridlock when the issue could have been solved earlier.

If this clean bill stuff is a strategy, then when is it that you plan to meet at the middle? Even with a government shutdown, the GOP will still get border security concessions.

Something tells me that "this was a negotiation strategy all along" was an attempt to brainwash people to align and shutup because you still do not explain when negotiating should start happening. If you think that a clean bill push should happen until the last minute on the 22nd, then you are only harming yourself. Negotiations take time.

The way these orgs approached this was crap, and Vote4dream's presence and push for a compromise in D.C. is testimony to that--if not we'd ALLLLLLL be agreeing with you.

Look at the vids and images on Vote4dream's facebook page. Compare that to UWD. Vote4dream has been able to meet and talk with at least 230 or so legislators while a lot of the UWD protestors are being ignored.