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02-17-2018, 08:49 PM
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Demise
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Originally Posted by JayR9 View Post
You all forget that when this all started it was a good faith agreement on legalizing Dreamers and basic border package. Absolutely no wall but somehow we are in the discussion of 4 pillars which gives him 25B for his border wall. Trump has destroyed every progress of a compromise by throwing in more and more demands each time. At this point, the best negotiation is to stonewall your opponent. I do this all the time with all my business deals. They will reach out to you when you give them a hard no. It will come down to if Trump wants the wall or Dem wants to legalize dreamers more. Trump will need the wall for his 2020 campaign. It will be a huge win for him and his base.
This has been the republican strategy for years now. Every time democrats take a step towards the middle republicans take two to the right.

Right now we have the fascist party and the conservative party, with a minor center, and basically no left.

I'll let you figure out which is which.


Only way forward is for democrats to bring the legislature to a screeching halt and then start breaking any and all agreements. Republicans need 9 votes, this is what we want. (shit gets added to the bill) actually we also want this, this, that, and this. White house will veto it, explain how that's our problem? This doesn't mean shutdown the government, but any bill that requires 60 votes is going absolutely nowhere.

Think about what happened with ACA. Republicans had their shopping list that diluted the bill in promise of supporting it. They'd get the amendments in and then vote against the bill. Fun amendments for example included the individual mandate including criminal penalties and not just a fine collected through the IRS.

A whole lot of republican garbage was thrown out later by the reconciliation act which amended the first senate passed ACA.
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