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Originally Posted by versailles
i really dislike having to lecture so many of you;
the original discussions were for DACAers(the 800k or so people covered) to get conditional green cards in exchange for border security/diversity lottery reforms.
broader talks were also being discussed and were to be done as a second phase(stuff like more dreamers covered, diversity lottery being ended, cuts to legal immigration).
then things went to shit because of dems wanting tps to be lumped in, THEN they went to BIGGER SHIT because of one comment made out of context, that dems wanted to take advantage of.
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Hell no. You are projecting where you thought discussions were going but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. There was never a decision to give green cards to DACAers for border security/diversity lottery. Anything before January was just fluff/theater. The negotiations started off with these four unrealistic pillars (remember the White House statement the day of that open door meeting). The shithole stuff had nothing to do with the extra stuff lumped in. The only reason Trump said the stuff that he said that sounded kind of on our side is because he is a FUCKING MORON who had no idea what was going on when he said it.
Here's a reality check for everyone on here (especially you): The DACA issue failed because Trump and the Republicans (especially his base Republicans) wanted it to fail. They are evil, racist and truly terrible ugly human beings. Period. The Democrats could've forced their hand, and indeed some wanted to, but they all caved because they are conservative corporatist cucks. The fact that they opened the government shows where their true loyalties lie (and no it isn't with their American citizen voters).