How a day that started with a bipartisan immigration deal ended with a “shithole”

Swim19 · 01-11-2018, 10:46 PM

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Preventing “chain migration” by preventing parents of Dreamers from becoming US citizens. In order to make it impossible for people legalized under this bill to sponsor their parents for citizenship, the bill would make parents of Dreamers ineligible to get green cards, making it impossible for them to naturalize. It would instead provide them with a form of legal status that could be renewed every three years.

By putting the restriction on parents of Dreamers, rather than directly restricting Dreamers’ ability to sponsor relatives after becoming citizens, the bill could avoid a constitutional pitfall. But it could end up locking out immigrant parents who have both a Dreamer and a native-born US citizen in the family — who would currently be eligible for green cards when their citizen children ruened 21.

For those saying the Dems are asking for too much...this is a big concession. Even if your sibling is a USC he or she might not be able to sponsor your parents! Of course this is somewhat speculation until the details emerge.

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Who is in charge of negotiations?

If not Flake and Graham’s plan, then whose? The answer to that question is complicated — and why negotiations have been so chaotic. Ever since Trump said he would be ending the DACA program, the debate on Capitol Hill has become as much a fight over who’s running the show as it is about policy.

In the Senate there are two important groups have risen to the top:

1) The Flake-Graham “Gang of Six,” which includes Democratic Sens. Dick Durbin (Ill), Michael Bennet (CO), Bob Menendez (NJ) and Republican Sen. Cory Gardner (CO).

2) A group of Democratic and Republican leadership deputies that have been dubbed the “No. 2s.” It’s a bipartisan group between top-ranking House and Senate members, and the only one with White House involvement. This group includes Durbin, again, and House leaders: Minority Whip Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD), Majority Whip Sen. John Cornyn and Majority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA).

The latter team came together as a reaction to a splintering landscape.

“We are not going to default to existing groups,” Cornyn told reporters. “There were too many groups to count and they were basically getting nowhere. So that’s why, I think, the need to move to this level.”

Meanwhile, progressives including Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) and Bernie Sanders (I-VT) have banded together in the Senate, as have Congressional Hispanic Caucus and Congressional Black Caucus members in the House, who have raised deep concerns about the bipartisan proposals’ approach to the visa lottery program and family-based immigration.

Among conservatives, Sens. Chuck Grassley (IA), Perdue (GA) and Cotton (AR) have had the president’s ear, as has Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) in the House. Another bipartisan agreement in the lower chamber between Reps. Will Hurd (R-TX) and Rep. Pete Aguilar (D-CA), also reached an accord similar to the “Gang of Six” proposal.
While having the input of the White House, the “No. 2s” have yet to come forward with an agreement.

Ultimately, any deal will have to meet only two conditions: It will have to be bipartisan enough to get 60 votes in the Senate, and it will have to win the president’s approval.

Until Congress manages to agree on who is doing the negotiating and writing the bills, we won’t know if it’s managed to meet the first condition
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As long as Trump is relying on the Republicans least interested in an immigration compromise to advise him, like Goodlatte and Cotton, no bill that meets the first condition will be able to meet the second.

So to answer some peoples' questions - Durbin is part of two groups!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

BestBefore1984 · 01-11-2018, 10:48 PM

So we haven’t seen what group 2 has to offer, yeah?

Marco956 · 01-11-2018, 10:50 PM

I feel so defeated/discouraged. Fuck Miller and fuck Cotton.

Afridi786 · 01-11-2018, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BestBefore1984

So we haven’t seen what group 2 has to offer, yeah?

Well, they've had meetings where they basically agreed to have meetings where they will discuss what to discuss at the next meetings.

Swim19 · 01-11-2018, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BestBefore1984

So we haven’t seen what group 2 has to offer, yeah?

Correct...some other article said Trump was more likely to listen to the #2's. Though watch out for the 'Cornyn Con'.

BeansDreamtoo21 · 01-11-2018, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Swim19

Correct...some other article said Trump was more likely to listen to the #2's. Though watch out for the 'Cornyn Con'.

Swim do you know who is in the second group?

BestBefore1984 · 01-11-2018, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21

Swim do you know who is in the second group?

Homegirl included that ^

“This group includes Durbin, again, and House leaders: Minority Whip Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD), Majority Whip Sen. John Cornyn and Majority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA).”

BeansDreamtoo21 · 01-11-2018, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BestBefore1984

Homegirl included that ^

“This group includes Durbin, again, and House leaders: Minority Whip Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD), Majority Whip Sen. John Cornyn and Majority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA).”

Glad Durbin is there I'm sure he will try to include all the dreamers at the end of the day that's what matters.

jaylove16 · 01-11-2018, 11:15 PM

Trump is on a Twitter rant but strangely hasn’t said anything about today’s immigration developments yet.

year2010 · 01-11-2018, 11:21 PM

I’m hoping that Lindsey is talking to him about it. He’s the trump whisper.

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