In response to "Obama 'hopes'..."

I had been looking for this text for a while.
It's troublesome. I do support the DREAM Act since I'd help me as much as it'd help most of you.

I understand the concern of many US citizens. Yes, they do have to pay out-of-state tuition while us, sons and daughters of illegal immigrants, get the privilege of payin in-state tuition if qualified.

What should we do about this?

I know some of this information here is very misleading and untrue. But most of all, it shows the concern, the rage of many US citizens.

"[u]ndocumented aliens are ineligible to receive postsecondary education benefits based on state residence…. IIRIRA would require that all out-of-state legal residents be eligible for this same benefit. Based on Fall 1998 enrollment figures…this legisla*tion could result in a revenue loss of over $63.7 million to the state."

Here's the link...

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I know some of you have read this. I read it when I was doing my report on the DREAM Act for my Political Science, which I never finished due to my bad luck with the police.

(Stupid cars... so needed in California...)

Well, I just wanted to share this with you.

I also wanted to ask for people who live near Norwalk/Long Beach and any other city to get in touch.

We need to get the attention of the media.

How hard can it be? Just think of the prop 8 issues.

Maybe get a group of people and march down the streets, distributing flyers, informing people.

I'm still not sure on what to do with the citizens' rage. Should we support a change? It would mean a big loss for the state. Would Dreamers compensate that loss?

My head hurts.

The Dream Act does not give us in-state tuition. States themselves decide on that and the ones that offer us in-state offer citizens in-state as well. Like the citizens living in those in-state tuition states, we had to have lived there for 3 or more years and graduated from a high school in that state. To say citizens have to pay out of state tuition while we get in-state is wrong. The only way that would be true is if a citizen from lets say California wants to go to a school in Illinois... of course they wouldn't pay in-state rates there since they are not residents of Illinois. Undocumented students that live in Illinois and qualify as residents do get to pay in-state, but if an undocumented citizen from Florida wanted to go to an Illinois college then they have to pay out of state just like any other citizen. Get what I'm saying?

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

What hrvatica said. We don't automatically get in-state tuition. It depends on the state, and we would be just like any other U.S citizen who wants to attend college. If we're going to an out-of-state school, we pay out-of-state. If we're going to a school in our state, we could possibly get in-state (possibly because it depends on the state).

I do understand all that.

And like I said (if you even took the time to read the article), some information is misleading and untrue.

In-state, out-of-state, I understand all of that. I think what pisses these people off is that we actually qualify for instate tuition. Yeah, any US citizen who would move from one state to another would have to qualify in the same way, resident for 3 years and graduating from that state's high school.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we come from outside the country... pisses them off.

oh and another thing.


AB540... instate tuition.


Awesome little paper.

Yea, but it's not like we came yesterday evening and got in state this very morning. Just like them, in my state at least, we have to qualify as well. Besides, I've been here all my life, why should I have to pay out-of-state? Because it pisses them off?

Erase / Rewind

I suggest you read this thread

I know some of you have read this. I read it when I was doing my report on the DREAM Act for my Political Science, which I never finished due to my bad luck with the police.

(Stupid cars... so needed in California...)

Well, I just wanted to share this with you.

I also wanted to ask for people who live near Norwalk/Long Beach and any other city to get in touch.

We need to get the attention of the media.

How hard can it be? Just think of the prop 8 issues.

Maybe get a group of people and march down the streets, distributing flyers, informing people.

I'm still not sure on what to do with the citizens' rage. Should we support a change? It would mean a big loss for the state. Would Dreamers compensate that loss?

My head hurts.[/quote]

why are you quoting the Heritage Foundation?

I thought about this all day long while working.
Yeah I came up with a lot of answers and I agree with most of you.

Today I was discussing this with a friend and first thing she said, "so you want to be rewarded for illegal activities?"

I did tell her that, at least in my case, I did not know what I was getting myself into once I moved over here. I just had to. I had a good chance at going to the best High School in Santiago, Chile, which would mean a better chance at a major university. Now, where's all my education?... Just ask me to solve an equation.

Many people think that we will become citizens. We'd get our conditional residency, and if we do get our permanent residency, to my knowledge, you cant petition your parents. Don't you have to be a citizen for that?

I guess that anger citizens have, well, it's just understandable.

They struggle enough with out-of-state tuition. And have people who weren't even born here in the first place take advantage of that in-state privilege... *sigh*... I do understand them. And yes, we are following requirements for the in-state tuition that any citizen would have to meet.

The AB540 is a great aid as of now. I've known students who can qualify for that but they did not know about it, and paid so much money for their first year.

I have the luck of having to move here at age 14. I was raised in my country and I have different views on this country.

My dream would be to have people who have experienced other educational systems become professionals. And one day, change this whole educational system around. And not let students get away with lack of knowledge, specially Algebra *sighs*.

Pre-Algebra in college? give me a break, how did this happen to me? I was about to start calc in Chile, before i left.