Will Democrats use immigration as weapon or try to pass a bill?

Ianus · 04-20-2010, 04:41 PM

Who knows at this point,but you can see the article here.

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There’s every reason for Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform this year. But if it proves politically impossible, Democrats ought to go for a “leaner” bill that can pass.

Democrats will be sorely tempted to use failure to pass sweeping reform as a political weapon against Republicans, but they ought to do the right thing and fix as much of a broken system as they can.

Specifically, they could take an “Ag-plus” approach, passing legislation to reform immigration in the agricultural sector, help immigrant students go to college, shorten wait times for families and keep highly skilled workers in the United States.

The reasons for comprehensive reform are practical, political and moral.

As Sens. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., wrote in the Washington Post last month, “Our immigration system is badly broken.

“Although our borders have become far more secure in recent years, too many people seeking illegal entry get through. ...

“And employers are burdened by a complicated system for verifying workers’ immigration status.”

That’s not all that’s wrong. As the Immigration Policy Center put it in a recent paper, “under the existing system people are dying at the border, immigrants are living and working in abject conditions, families trying to reunite legally are separated for many years. ...

“U.S. workers suffer from the unlevel playing field shared with exploited immigrant workers and law-abiding U.S. employers are in unfair competition with unscrupulous employers who increase profits by hiring cheap and vulnerable labor.”

Schumer and Graham are trying to put together a new comprehensive reform package, including tougher border security and interior enforcement – requiring everyone to have a tamper-proof biometric Social Security card – while creating a process to admit temporary workers and an “earned legalization” process for illegal immigrants.

Politically, there’s every reason for both Democrats and Republicans to pass a comprehensive bill this year.

First, as a candidate for president, Barack Obama promised it would be a first-year priority, and Latino groups are angry that he hasn’t pushed it.

Latinos overwhelmingly supported Obama in 2008 – by 67 percent to 31 percent for Republican Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) – but there’s a danger that they won’t turn out to vote in 2010 if action isn’t taken on immigration reform.

Republicans have every incentive to support reform, too. The reason McCain did poorly among Latinos – down from 40 percent support for George W. Bush in 2004 – is that McCain’s Republican colleagues defeated a bill he co-sponsored in 2007.

Moreover, they did so after right-wing radio talk-show hosts whipped rank-and-file conservatives into a frenzy against “amnesty” for 10 million “illegals” that often sounded anti-Latino.

Some Republicans are scared by the prospect of being assailed by Rush Limbaugh and Tea Party nativists. Others are caught up in the GOP’s post-health care strategy of denying Democrats any further victories in 2010.

Democrats may well resort to a cynical political maneuver – push ahead with a comprehensive bill knowing that it can’t get 60 votes in the Senate and use failure as a stick to beat the GOP.

That might energize Latinos and perhaps hold down anticipated Democratic losses in November – but it would do nothing to repair the nation’s immigration system.

The better alternative would be to pass ag-jobs legislation sponsored by Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., and Sens. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Dick Lugar, R-Ind., offering 1.2 million agricultural workers a path to legal status and opening the way for more temporary workers to harvest crops.

They could add the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act, a measure to enable young people brought to America illegally as children to attend college and measures to give green cards to high-skill workers and foreign students who earn advanced degrees in science.

Comprehensive reform is long overdue, but Democrats should remember that passing something is better than passing nothing. And, if they handle it right, they can get credit for what they do and also blame Republicans for what they can’t.

Sonawabich · 05:10 PM

The bill that will pass with bipartisan support
-Enforcement & enhanced border security
-Employment verification & biometric SS card
-Harsher penalties for employing illegals
-Limited legislation, NO pathway to citizenship, perhaps work visas valid for couple of years
-Dream act

Forget pathway to citizenship for all undocumented! It will NOT be supported by general public. Lets ditch that!

Boggles my mind why senators haven't thought of this approach!

RenzoM · 04-20-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonawabich

The bill that will pass with bipartisan support
-Enforcement & enhanced border security
-Employment verification & biometric SS card
-Harsher penalties for employing illegals
-Limited legislation, NO pathway to citizenship, perhaps work visas valid for couple of years
-Dream act

Forget pathway to citizenship for all undocumented! It will NOT be supported by general public. Lets ditch that!

Boggles my mind why senators haven't thought of this approach!

As much as I'd like that, what happens to the rest of the people here? Just kick them out?

Sonawabich · 04-20-2010, 06:36 PM

Read again: work visas. They can work, live and pay taxes but won't be granted eventual citizenship. It would be perfect for majority of undocumented workers who only want to save up and go back. This way gov will be able to track who's here, which is vital for national security.

The bill can also
-end birthright citizenship
-limit family reunification
-put focus on skilled immigrants!

This bill will have greater chance of bipartisan support and win-win for all!

I know lots of people would be angry about limited legalization and reunification but you CAN'T have everything. If dream act passes that will be enough!

TheX · 04-20-2010, 08:49 PM

You mean if the dream act passes, it will be enough for you, but people have different goals. Students are not the majority in this issue, it is workers that actually care about their families so want family reunification as much as they can get it.

Jelly Bean Lover · 04-20-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonawabich

Read again: work visas. They can work, live and pay taxes but won't be granted eventual citizenship. It would be perfect for majority of undocumented workers who only want to save up and go back. This way gov will be able to track who's here, which is vital for national security.

The bill can also
-end birthright citizenship
-limit family reunification
-put focus on skilled immigrants!

This bill will have greater chance of bipartisan support and win-win for all!

I know lots of people would be angry about limited legalization and reunification but you CAN'T have everything. If dream act passes that will be enough!

Uh, what about the 14th amendment? That would have to be changed to end birthright citizenship. I think that is going a bit far.

These are all very radical measures that seem to be bowing to far to the right. I can see some of your logic--e.g., maybe there is a large group of immigrants who would be just as happy to have a work visa as citizenship, maybe even restricting placing family visas to immediate relatives--but I think that if you caved this much to the Republican right, then their response would become, "We have no sympathy for the Dream Act because these people broke the law coming here (as babies and young children). This is amnesty for a group who broke the law to come here. Blah. Blah. Blah." This is already the strategy the Dems are employing with their rhetoric about strengthening the border. The response from Republicans is just to go further to the right.

Moreover, your plan would never carry Democratic support, which would certainly be necessary to pass anything.

ECL23 · 04-20-2010, 09:52 PM

Realistically, we cannot have a perfect immigration reform. Yes, there are possibilities that some people will not meet the criteria in a bill but at least we have something. I rather have something than nothing at all. Currently, we don't have anything! So, we can't choose what should or shouldn't be put forth for immigration reform.

So, if it means only passing Dream Act. I say go for it, because this would mean a stepping-stone for many of us who do meet this criteria.

I know many of us are wondering about our parents or those who do not meet the criteria? Well, unless something is being done-- all of us will be stuck in the same limbo!

Sonawabich · 04-20-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheX

You mean if the dream act passes, it will be enough for you, but people have different goals. Students are not the majority in this issue, it is workers that actually care about their families so want family reunification as much as they can get it.

Dream act students -- larger chance of contributing to the good of society & the act is humane approach to those who were brought here as a children.

All people have different goals. For majority of Americans, legalization of millions, some educated but mostly uneducated, low-skilled laborers don't make sense. And the majority, the common people are the law in this land. Of course, people want to become citizens here. Who doesn't. But that approach is treacherous and unrealistic.

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