All eyes on border as House bill on immigration takes shape; groups hold out for hope

Ianus · 07-08-2013, 12:04 PM

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House Republicans will meet this week to plan their immigration strategy, which seems designed to push the issue to the right, but the Senate bill already faces a backlash on the left, where advocacy groups say the added border security is testing the limits of enforcement.

Many immigrant rights groups watched in despair as senators voted last month to add 20,000 Border Patrol agents and hundreds of miles of fencing in the Southwest.

As senators were voting, volunteers from the Reform Immigration for Texas Alliance were getting arrested for demonstrating outside Democratic Party offices in Dallas and Austin to protest what appeared to be a major reversal by Senate Democrats, who had said an earlier bill would provide enough border security.

“Our response was, ‘Look, we are not celebrating the bill,’” said Adriana Cadena, statewide coordinator for the Texas Alliance. She said her group hasn’t taken an official position on the legislation as a whole and sees good parts of it, including quick citizenship for Dream Act youths and agriculture workers, but members also wanted to register their disapproval of the “immense militarization and criminalization” in the final Senate bill.

Most immigrant rights groups remain on board. They say they are wary of the direction of the debate but that the additional border security provision hasn’t spoiled the entire bill.

“It was absolutely a difficult decision,” said Ruthie Epstein, a legislative policy analyst at the American Civil Liberties Union. “Nevertheless, we did ultimately decide, reluctantly, to support the bill moving forward because the bill retains its core commitment to providing a fair if difficult path to citizenship.”

The Senate bill cleared on a 68-32 vote with 14 Republicans joining all of the members of the Democratic caucus in backing it. That vote signaled that the core of the deal — to offer quick legal status and work permits to illegal immigrants but to withhold full citizenship rights until the border is considered secure — is holding.

Analysts on all sides of the issue have decried the Senate’s border surge, saying the money is unlikely to produce much of a return on the dollar.

Ms. Epstein and other opponents said building up the border with that many agents could cause a spike in human rights abuses. During a surge under the George W. Bush administration, the Department of Homeland Security struggled to hire and train Border Patrol agents.

In Congress, action has shifted to the House, where Republicans hold a majority. They will meet Wednesday to hash out their strategy.

Several key differences have emerged — and none more critical than the approaches to a pathway to citizenship. Most Senate Republicans, including those who voted against the bill, agreed that a pathway is needed but fought over what conditions to attach to it.

That view is not universal among House Republicans, many of whom say that granting illegal immigrants citizenship is an amnesty for breaking the law.

Beyond that fight, House Speaker John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican, has called the security provision in the Senate bill “laughable.” He has signaled that whatever the House does, it will go beyond the border buildup in the Senate legislation.

It’s not clear how much leverage immigrant rights groups will have in the House.

With House Republicans under pressure to strengthen the bill, many immigrant rights groups say the Senate bill is their high-water mark and they now will be playing chiefly defense. It’s one reason so many groups were upset that the Senate added border security rather than waiting to fight the issue with the House.

But some groups argue, at least publicly, that the House bill won’t necessarily be stronger than the Senate version.

According to some reports, a bipartisan group of seven House lawmakers negotiating a deal may even be looking at a shorter path to citizenship than the one in the Senate agreement.

Rep. Raul R. Labrador, an Idaho Republican who used to be part of that bipartisan group of negotiators, said there is little doubt that the House bill will focus more on security than the Senate version.

“My concern with the Senate bill is that they put the legalization of 11 million people ahead of security. The legalization happens first, and then the security happens second,” he told NBC’s “Meet the Press” program Sunday.

He said he doesn’t want a repeat of what he considers mistakes of implementing the president’s health care law by giving the administration a large amount of power.

Mr. Labrador said it would be a mistake to turn over border security decisions to the Obama administration.

Rep. Michael T. McCaul, Texas Republican and chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said on CBS’ “Face the Nation” program that the House also wants to avoid another part of the health care debate, when the House took up and passed the Senate’s bill in its entirety, unchanged.

Some Senate Democrats have predicted that the House will do that with the Senate immigration bill, but Mr. McCaul said that won’t happen.

Earlier this year, he cleared a tough border security bill through his committee on a unanimous bipartisan vote, and he derided the Senate’s plan to add agents and fencing as throwing money at the problem.

“What the Senate just passed was, again, a bunch of, you know, candy thrown down there, a bunch of assets thrown down there to gain votes but without a methodical, smart border approach,” he said. “We want a smart border. We also want a smart immigration plan, something that makes sense.”

Mr. McCaul said his own border security bill could be on the House floor later this month or in September.

Ms. Cadena from the Texas Alliance said she hasn’t given up hope that the House could ease some of the border provisions — particularly if groups pressure representatives at the local level.

“I think that people have pretty much given up that what we got in the Senate is the best we’re going to get, from now on it’s only going to get worse. There might be some truth to that, but those of us who are in the field out in Texas or other parts of the country, it’s too soon to make that determination,” she said.

“At the end of the day, all politics is local. We’re trying to influence some of these members who may be in swing districts or may be in significant Latino population.”

That's odd,I haven't read much articles that suggest the pathway would be shorter in the Gang of 7 bill.I thought most suggested it would be at least 15 years.

freshh. · 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ianus

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ource=RSS_FeedThat's odd,I haven't read much articles that suggest the pathway would be shorter in the Gang of 7 bill.I thought most suggested it would be at least 15 years.

Not sure if I should be happy with this news or wait for the other shoe to drop (i.e. you must prove 10 years of continuous presence).

Ianus · 07-08-2013, 12:28 PM

^I think the House bill is suppose to be more liberal on that condition.It supposedly applies to all undocumented according to an article I read last month as there is no cut-off date.

I meant most articles place the House bill as having a 15 year to citizenship if you decide to stay inside the US while having a shorter path for those who decide to take their chance on the shorter pathway to citizenship while abroad.

VeryNicePerson1 · 07-08-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by freshh.

Not sure if I should be happy with this news or wait for the other shoe to drop (i.e. you must prove 10 years of continuous presence).

Or maybe the pathway is indeed shorter, but CIR will just fail anyway...

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marley monster · 07-08-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by freshh.

Not sure if I should be happy with this news or wait for the other shoe to drop (i.e. you must prove 10 years of continuous presence).

Would a continuous presence provision prevent us from traveling abroad? My parents were saying something about this, and it saddened me if it's true.

IamAman · 07-08-2013, 02:49 PM

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Not sure if I should be happy with this news or wait for the other shoe to drop (i.e. you must prove 10 years of continuous presence).

I can do 10 years standing on my head though in retrospect I regret shredding a ton of old bills and invoices.

freshh. · 07-08-2013, 05:28 PM

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I can do 10 years standing on my head though in retrospect I regret shredding a ton of old bills and invoices.

Not a problem for my family either, but I know it would cut out more folks than the Senate bill would.

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