Immigration talks quickly hit a wall

Swim19 · 01-23-2018, 08:39 PM

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The goal is seemingly straightforward: Enshrining the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program that protects from deportation young immigrants brought to the country as children, but which Trump decided to end. But the negotiations are anything but simple.

“It won’t be easy,” said Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), the No. 3 GOP leader. “If it’s DACA for border security, that’s probably a deal that will get done. If we start adding other elements of the whole immigration debate into it?”

Thune answered his own question: “Narrower gets it done.”

Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), a longtime advocate of young undocumented immigrants known as Dreamers, acknowledged: “We’re still caught up in this conversation of border security and what is acceptable and what isn’t.”

Indeed, senators are still largely talking more in terms of process than substance. Just over a dozen senators, led primarily by Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), on Monday began charting out how the group could begin to reach a Dreamers accord.

The list included senators who had already struck the bipartisan immigration deal vehemently opposed by the White House: Durbin and Graham, as well as Sens. Michael Bennet (D-Colo.), Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) and Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.). Among others who attended were Sens. Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Tim Kaine (D-Va.), Angus King (I-Maine), Gary Peters (D-Mich.), Mike Rounds (R-S.D.), James Lankford (R-Okla.), Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) and Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.).

The guest list was confirmed by two people familiar with it.

Graham is trying to persuade Durbin and Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas), the respective party whips, to effectively serve as clearinghouses for immigration ideas from both sides.

“I’m trying to create a process where all this bipartisanship has someplace to go,” Graham said. “So if Cornyn and Durbin can work together and receive input, they can give us some idea of whether we can get a deal or what a base bill would look like.”

Senators are facing a tight deadline. Government funding expires again after Feb. 8, and McConnell has pledged to bring a bill to the floor so as long as the government stays open. Senior Democrats didn’t signal much appetite on Tuesday for another shutdown.

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Still, Republicans know that, politically, they need to act on immigration before March — a point they repeatedly stressed to skeptical Democrats during the bipartisan meetings convened during the three-day shutdown.

“We were able to get some assurances to them that we really were going to move to DACA,” Rounds said. “We were able to explain to them, it’s in our own best interest to get beyond the March 5 issue without having problems because politically, we can’t allow DACA not to be addressed.”

But beyond agreeing on the need to act, there's little consensus on what to do.

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Durbin said all 49 members of the Democratic caucus were “clearly on board” with the deal he hammered out privately with the group of six senators. But liberals are still wary Republicans will drag it to the right.

“Durbin-Graham is not the Democratic proposal,” said Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii). “It was a bipartisan compromise. So this doesn’t become the new left pole.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...it-wall-362981

jaylove16 · 01-23-2018, 08:47 PM

I think if Senators like cornyn agree and support a bill , they can get the president to back it.

Swim19 · 01-23-2018, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jaylove16

I think if Senators like cornyn agree and support a bill , they can get the president to back it.

The question is will Cornyn ever sincerely back a bill that isn't filled with poison pills?

Copper · 01-23-2018, 09:04 PM

I hate to say it, but the Republicans have all the momentum right now. They know the Democrats have caved and they have them right were they want them. Schumer used us politically plain and simple. Shutting down the government for 2 days to get a so call “DACA” deal was his way out. Little does he know we are not stupid. I encourage everyone that has friends and family that can legally vote to vote third party come elections. We can NOT let these politicians take us for granted anymore.

jaylove16 · 01-23-2018, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Copper

I hate to say it, but the Republicans have all the momentum right now. They know the Democrats have caved and they have them right were they want them. Schumer used us politically plain and simple. Shutting down the government for 2 days to get a so call “DACA” deal was his way out. Little does he know we are not stupid. I encourage everyone that has friends and family that can legally vote to vote third party come elections. We can NOT let these politicians take us for granted anymore.

You know what voting third party is going to do? Keep republicans in power! Stupidest thing you can encourage a voter to do this November.

jaylove16 · 01-23-2018, 09:17 PM

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Top Dem on Senate Homeland Security Cmte McCaskill meets with DHS Sec Nielsen. McCaskill tells Nielsen she can’t commit to immigration plan “until you tell me you have the support in the President." McCaskill says Nielsen replied “‘I understand what you’re saying.’”

Swim19 · 01-23-2018, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jaylove16

You know what voting third party is going to do? Keep republicans in power! Stupidest thing you can encourage a voter to do this November.

I was just about to post something similar! You need to vote smart! Sometimes voting for the lesser of two evils is necessary. Voting for a third party candidate that can't win is throwing away your vote.

Copper · 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jaylove16

You know what voting third party is going to do? Keep republicans in power! Stupidest thing you can encourage a voter to do this November.

What’s the difference between a Republican and Democrat? Same smell different shit. I wouldn’t mind a progressive but hell no I wouldn’t encourage anyone to vote for a career politician. If nothing passes people are going to get deported anyways or self deport so might as well let them feel our outrage. We can’t sit here and act like they haven’t done anything wrong and keep rewarding them. People want to say vote for the lesser evil. Oh yeah well where has that gotten us. One party is telling us we don’t want you and the other party is telling us we love you but only during elections. We’re a political ploy to both parties. Both of them are evil in different ways and people need to wake up and realize that.

JayR9 · 01-23-2018, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Copper

I hate to say it, but the Republicans have all the momentum right now. They know the Democrats have caved and they have them right were they want them. Schumer used us politically plain and simple. Shutting down the government for 2 days to get a so call “DACA” deal was his way out. Little does he know we are not stupid. I encourage everyone that has friends and family that can legally vote to vote third party come elections. We can NOT let these politicians take us for granted anymore.

So your strategy doesn’t make sense. Are you referring exclusively to the senate or the presidency as well? Independents often are moderates and are more likely to flip to the right. Presidency wise voting independent is how we got Trump in the first place. What we need is a ultra left candidates who are as batshit crazy as the freedom caucus and the tea party. We need crazy left liberals who willing to shut down the government to save a mother fucking squirrel because there not enough accorn being planted. These mother fucking savage hippies will legalize us. So get everyone voting Left far fucking left.

jaylove16 · 01-23-2018, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Copper

What’s the difference between a Republican and Democrat? Same smell different shit. I wouldn’t mind a progressive but hell no I wouldn’t encourage anyone to vote for a career politician. If nothing passes people are going to get deported anyways or self deport so might as well let them feel our outrage. We can’t sit here and act like they haven’t done anything wrong and keep rewarding them. People want to say vote for the lesser evil. Oh yeah well where has that gotten us. We’re a political ploy to both parties.

I know what you are saying but I’d rather have democrats be in power of congress than the majority of the GOP who hate us. Voting 3rd party for people who have no chance of winning is dumb to me. Look at the 2016 presidential election for an example.
People voting third party got us Donald Trump and now I see those same people bitching about him.

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