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DREAM Act 2013

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#1
12-26-2010, 04:25 PM
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After the cloture vote on the DREAM Act failed this month, I felt angry. My immediate reactions were similar to those of a lost battle. However, after much thought I have come to realize that the DREAM Act's best chance of passing once more is in the year 2013. As we all heard, 2011 proves to be a highly unlikely year to pass the DREAM Act. In the year 2012 it will be an election year in which there will be no action on immigration.

The Senate still holds a Democratic majority, but we know there are not enough votes to pass the DREAM Act there. The House of Representatives holds a Republican majority with very little chances of the DREAM Act passing in this chamber (unless they try to appeal to Hispanic voters, which they probably won't).
For a long time it has been a vote on party values; however, we all know what occurred last time (some Dems voted against cloture). The Democratic majority does, however, support the DREAM Act, so we need to elect the right Democrats and same goes with Republicans. The immigrant voting community is growing in all the United States, these voters are probably pro-immigrant.

From now (late 2010) until 2012, we need to have activism in the campaigns. We need to mobilize to make immigrants, that are eligible, U.S. Citizens. We need to educate people on the DREAM Act. We need to identify the true fighters of the DREAM Act and show immigrant voters which candidates are pro-immigrant. By fighters I mean the congress people who would vote yea on the DREAM.

In Arizona alone, a district has to be added because an increase in Hispanic population. This seat in the House of Representatives will most likely be held by a person who is in favor of the DREAM Act or CIR (Comprehensive Immigration Reform). If we can get immigrant communities to vote, we should have the majority of officials elected/needed to create justice for the immigrant communities. If this happens we could finally and once and for all pass the DREAM Act and maybe even CIR.
We need to focus these next two years in gaining seats (60+) in the Senate for those in favor of the DREAM Act. In the house we need to get the (218+) to pass it. Only this way we will ensure a victory on the DREAM Act.
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12-26-2010, 04:44 PM
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lol really?
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12-26-2010, 05:10 PM
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. However, after much thought I have come to realize that the DREAM Act's best chance of passing once more is in the year 2013.

The immigrant voting community is growing in all the United States, these voters are probably pro-immigrant.

. Only this way we will ensure a victory on the DREAM Act.
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So... to boil it down:

The voting Latino community should be our puppets.


There's tons of talk about getting them to do THIS! THAT! EDUCATE! blah blah blah we get it. we get it...

How will you do this?
With Faxes, calls, demonstrations?

Girl please...

FEAR

It has been proven to work since the dawn of man.
Change the tactics.

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12-26-2010, 07:02 PM
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Damn 2 years is a really long time. We didn't deserve this for sure. If Obama really is disappointed like he said, he's going to attack the issue in 2011 but then again will the Republicans allow him to do this? So far we have been used to give tax cuts to the wealthy and win elections. I feel like legalizing us would take this advantage away from these politicians.
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12-26-2010, 07:58 PM
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So... to boil it down:

The voting Latino community should be our puppets.


There's tons of talk about getting them to do THIS! THAT! EDUCATE! blah blah blah we get it. we get it...

How will you do this?
With Faxes, calls, demonstrations?

Girl please...

FEAR

It has been proven to work since the dawn of man.
Change the tactics.

Well we need the hispanic population to get this passed don't we?? Explain to me how we would otherwise! This is practically why we need to educate them, so we can teach them about the fear that could develop among immigrants if Repbulican haters start turning their backs towards immigrants as they have begun to do?
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12-26-2010, 11:24 PM
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After the cloture vote on the DREAM Act failed this month, I felt angry. My immediate reactions were similar to those of a lost battle. However, after much thought I have come to realize that the DREAM Act's best chance of passing once more is in the year 2013. As we all heard, 2011 proves to be a highly unlikely year to pass the DREAM Act. In the year 2012 it will be an election year in which there will be no action on immigration.

The Senate still holds a Democratic majority, but we know there are not enough votes to pass the DREAM Act there. The House of Representatives holds a Republican majority with very little chances of the DREAM Act passing in this chamber (unless they try to appeal to Hispanic voters, which they probably won't).
For a long time it has been a vote on party values; however, we all know what occurred last time (some Dems voted against cloture). The Democratic majority does, however, support the DREAM Act, so we need to elect the right Democrats and same goes with Republicans. The immigrant voting community is growing in all the United States, these voters are probably pro-immigrant.

From now (late 2010) until 2012, we need to have activism in the campaigns. We need to mobilize to make immigrants, that are eligible, U.S. Citizens. We need to educate people on the DREAM Act. We need to identify the true fighters of the DREAM Act and show immigrant voters which candidates are pro-immigrant. By fighters I mean the congress people who would vote yea on the DREAM.

In Arizona alone, a district has to be added because an increase in Hispanic population. This seat in the House of Representatives will most likely be held by a person who is in favor of the DREAM Act or CIR (Comprehensive Immigration Reform). If we can get immigrant communities to vote, we should have the majority of officials elected/needed to create justice for the immigrant communities. If this happens we could finally and once and for all pass the DREAM Act and maybe even CIR.
We need to focus these next two years in gaining seats (60+) in the Senate for those in favor of the DREAM Act. In the house we need to get the (218+) to pass it. Only this way we will ensure a victory on the DREAM Act.
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Well we need the hispanic population to get this passed don't we?? Explain to me how we would otherwise! This is practically why we need to educate them, so we can teach them about the fear that could develop among immigrants if Repbulican haters start turning their backs towards immigrants as they have begun to do?
yo dont teach people about the fear. You teach them TO fear. The same way FOX teaches their audience to fear through twisted commentary and b.s. Teaching them the "truth" hasn't helped. Other methods should be used.
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12-28-2010, 01:09 PM
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Oh yeah.
I agree with you.
Great information
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12-28-2010, 09:48 PM
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Yes, 2013 is the ideal year for the DREAM Act to get passed. We will have to make sure we invest a lot of time into making 2012 very successful for Democrats first. If this can be achieved, then victory for this act (and other kinds of acts) would be ours. Just remember, if we know what we're doing and we work hard, we can make anything we want happen.
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12-29-2010, 01:15 AM
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After the cloture vote on the DREAM Act failed this month, I felt angry. My immediate reactions were similar to those of a lost battle. However, after much thought I have come to realize that the DREAM Act's best chance of passing once more is in the year 2013. As we all heard, 2011 proves to be a highly unlikely year to pass the DREAM Act. In the year 2012 it will be an election year in which there will be no action on immigration.

The Senate still holds a Democratic majority, but we know there are not enough votes to pass the DREAM Act there. The House of Representatives holds a Republican majority with very little chances of the DREAM Act passing in this chamber (unless they try to appeal to Hispanic voters, which they probably won't).
For a long time it has been a vote on party values; however, we all know what occurred last time (some Dems voted against cloture). The Democratic majority does, however, support the DREAM Act, so we need to elect the right Democrats and same goes with Republicans. The immigrant voting community is growing in all the United States, these voters are probably pro-immigrant.

From now (late 2010) until 2012, we need to have activism in the campaigns. We need to mobilize to make immigrants, that are eligible, U.S. Citizens. We need to educate people on the DREAM Act. We need to identify the true fighters of the DREAM Act and show immigrant voters which candidates are pro-immigrant. By fighters I mean the congress people who would vote yea on the DREAM.

In Arizona alone, a district has to be added because an increase in Hispanic population. This seat in the House of Representatives will most likely be held by a person who is in favor of the DREAM Act or CIR (Comprehensive Immigration Reform). If we can get immigrant communities to vote, we should have the majority of officials elected/needed to create justice for the immigrant communities. If this happens we could finally and once and for all pass the DREAM Act and maybe even CIR.
We need to focus these next two years in gaining seats (60+) in the Senate for those in favor of the DREAM Act. In the house we need to get the (218+) to pass it. Only this way we will ensure a victory on the DREAM Act.
I respect you for proposing a stratgey. But, I completely disagree with you. Tell me, what is your plan B if voters do not elect DREAM Act-friendly legislators in 2012? Waiting is futile.
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01-03-2011, 10:22 PM
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I'd like to clarify on the above poster's point. Kay Hagan is a Democrat from North Carolina who voted against the bill. From reading articles about why she voted against the bill, and reading up about her self, I think there is credible cause to claim that she's a "conservative Democrat". Even though she may be a Democrat by name, she probably doesn't really "connect" with Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Obama on "sensitive" bills like these and others. 54% of Americans do in fact, support the DREAM Act, but it's a shame that the voice of the American people had no influence on how Congress voted.

Hagan's office had been vandalized and ransacked as a result of her voting against the DREAM Act.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...ice-vanda.html
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