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02-27-2011, 02:38 AM
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the Wisconsin protests have been in the news lately and its a bad situation mostly because its something thats never happened before upper class USC, its easy to figure out that, if theyre letting this happen to all american us citizens with rights and not affraid to show up on cameras and to fight for something thats totally unjustified what fate could await DA or CIR if it affects people who dont even have rights, just look at the latest happenings and it should be pretty clear that no matter what we post here about intensions and nice things senators say, its very likely theyll do massive deportations rather than ever passing any of this stuff, the fingerprints program at california is a clear example of whats about to go down in the whole US, it might be good to not get tunnel vision and see the current real life political atmosphere out there right now and just how the facts are spun crushing the other side on a debate and immigrants are scapegoated all the time to the point no one wants to sympathize, if these trends continue things are only pointing to getting much worse for 2011 time to wakeup to how things really work here and how the news will be used to shut off causes like this one to sway the public into whatever the rich business owners want, this articles good but real long, i suggest u go over and read it from the site cuz its not complete on here
http://www.alternet.org/news/149986/...entire&h=689cf
Workers' Uprising: Two Dozen Protests Launched Across Wisconsin, TV Talk Show Blackout of Union Reps
Here's a run-down on events and key analysis on the fast-moving events in Wisconsin's state capitol -- and nationwide.
February 21, 2011 |
Yesterday, we told you about the Gallup poll which found that 61 percent of respondents opposed stripping workers of their right to bargain collectively. Media Matters caught Fox "News" simply reversing the results of the poll.
This wasn't just an "error" in their graphics, by the way. Fox & Friends co-host Brian Kilmeade also made the claim on-air. No wonder protesters are shouting "Fox Lies" this week.
As the drama unfolding in Wisconsin continues, a large coalition of progressive groups has issued an Emergency Call to Action and are planning to offer a massive show of solidarity with the workers of Wisconsin and protest the right's plan to slash vital services in the name of balancing the budget.
The groups are planning “Save the American Dream” rallies in all 50 state capitals for Saturday at noon (local time). You can find out more about the rallies here.
Update (by AlterNet staff):
A DailyKos diarist has drawn an interesting connection between the Koch brothers' business interests in Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's bill:
One of the hidden provisions in Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker’s union busting bill concerns state-owned heating, cooling, and power plants. The emphasis in the stories I’ve read has been on the sale of those power plants, but read a little more carefully:
“[the department] may sell any state-owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state.”
...The Kochs funneled millions into Walker’s campaign. They’re right around the corner from the governor. They specialize in energy industries. How can they possibly claim this:
"What they want is a contract for the operation of the plants, which the governor will be authorized to draw up and sign with no oversight, no public announcement, and no limit on the amount Wisconsin taxpayers like me will pay to the Koch brothers."
...
Amanda Terkel from the Huffington Post reports that the TV talk shows are showing little interest in bringing on union officials:
A union official told The Huffington Post that when none of the Sunday shows' producers reached out to them to book a labor representative this week, several unions started to pitch the shows with affected workers and local and national leaders who they felt could discuss the protests. The official said the response from the shows was essentially "thanks, but no thanks."
...
Politifact reviews Gov. Scott Walker's claim that he had campaigned on curtailing collective bargaining for two years. Politifact's Conclusion? False.
...:
Talking Points Memo dug into the story, which we reported earlier this week, of the provision in Walker's union-busting bill that would allow the state to sell-off its power plants to the private sector in a no-bid process. The no-bid part of that is obviously a big red flag, but it turns out that the measure isn't quite the give-away to his corporate backers that it appeared at first blush. That's because the state's plants are antiquated and need significant investment to conform with environmental regs.
...
Yesterday's big story was the "prank call" made by a blogger posing as oily right-wing billionaire David Koch to Scott Walker. It revealed the right-wing governor's hostility toward working people and the lengths to which he would go to strip them of their rights. And it was amusing -- the phony Koch sounded like an exaggerated parody of fat-cat, right-wing funder, yet Walker never even became suspicious. The hard-right is difficult to parody.
...the Governor also explains how he is going to layoff thousands of Wisconsin workers as a tactic to get the Democrats to cooperate: “So, we’re trying about four or five different angles. Each day we crank up a little bit more pressure. The other thing is I’ve got layoff notices ready, we put out the at-risk notices, we’ll announce Thursday, they’ll go out early next week and we’ll probably get five to six thousand state workers will get at-risk notices for layoffs. We might ratchet that up a little bit too.”
The move has been called “despicable” and “ruthless “ and “sickening.” But most importantly, if he is choosing to lay off workers as a political tactic when he wasn’t’ otherwise planning to do so then it is not just morally repugnant but legally questionable. State and federal contract and labor law has protections against this type of abusive behavior and inappropriate quid pro quo.
This morning the Capital Times quotes the state’s former Attorney General: “There clearly are potential ethics violations, and there are potential election-law violations and there are a lot of what look to me like labor-law violations,” said Peg Lautenschlager,
Bottari notes that Wisconsin has "the toughest ethics law in the nation."
but the state's lawmakers have to track down the 14 senators who defected from the state last week in protest of Walker's union-busting bill. As we mentioned earlier, state troopers have been deployed to the senators' homes. According to the AP, "The lawmakers can't be arrested, but Republican Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald said he hoped the move would pressure them to return. He would not say how many Democrats were being targeted, but said it was more than one."
Update (by AlterNet staff): Yesterday, Gov. Scott Walker admitted to plotting to trick the missing Democratic lawmakers into returning to the Capitol. Walker said he'd draw Democrats back by pretending to want to talk, then make use of a loophole that would let Republicans hold a quorum without the Democrats present. (Walker admitted this to liberal blogger Ian Murphy from the Buffalo Beast
Update (by AlterNet staff): Cops called on unwelcome Tea Party activist hunting for Wisconsin Dems at hotel in Harvard, Illinois.
A "Major Incident Response Team" from the Milwaukee Police Department will be sent to Madison to help maintain order at the state Capitol, the department announced Wednesday.
Update:
Just as they've done in Wisconsin and Indiana, as an Illinois state rep Abe Lincoln once fled the state house -- exiting out a window -- to prevent a vote on a controversial bill. But all week, conservatives -- as well as a few confused pseudo-liberals -- have been advancing the argument that when a minority in a legislature uses parliamentary procedures it's some kind of assault on democracy. There's even an effort underway to recall the 14 Wisconsin senators who left the state last week.
Today, Think Progress reports that not all conservatives have bought into this argument.
Yesterday, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) defended his state’s vanished senators, saying their fleeing is “perfectly legitimate“:
Daniels, a Republican, said earlier Tuesday he supported the Democrats’ right to deny Republicans a quorum to do business and the rights of labor unions to protest at the Statehouse.
...:
In Michigan, the House passed the Republicans' "emergency measure" (see below), which will now be taken up in the state senate.
...
Earlier, we brought you the story of a far-right deputy attorney general in Indiana who urged Wisconsin cops to use live ammo on protesters. Today, he was fired. Good riddance.
...
Tea Party supporters clashed over the stalemate 1,200 miles away, between teachers and the governor of Wisconsin."
According to the Washington Times, "Dozens of leaders of the tea party movement have come out in support of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker in his standoff with Democrats and public-sector unions over the state’s budget deficit."
That sentence is telling. The battle is not, in fact, "over the state's budget deficit," as those confused tea partiers have been led to believe; among other things, it gives the governor the power to sell off state-owned infrastructure -- possibly to his well-heeled patrons -- in a no-bid process. As we reported below, government watch-dogs call that a major "red flag." It also contains a provision that centralizes power over the state's public health programs iwith a measure that the legislature's legal analyst warns may be a violation of the separation of powers doctrine.
So, these folks who believe in transparency and "cleaning up" the state house are being sold on a "deficit reduction" bill, but they're in fact fighting for a bill that would be ripe for Big Government corruption and what may be an un-Constitutional centralization of power. Telling.
Big news out of Indiana, as the Indianapolis Star reports that GOP lawmakers have pulled their controversial right-to-work-for-lower-wages bill. They'll send it to a committee for further study. But the Dems who fled the state will not return yet "because they have additional issues they want resolved."
The bill includes a provision that would allow the state to sell or contract out the operation of heating, cooling, and power plants without a bidding process and without consulting the state’s independent utility regulator. Democratic legislators worried aloud that the process would attract abuse, and Jon Peacock, Director of the Wisconsin Budget Project, called the no-bid approach a “red flag.”
TPM reports that a conservative deputy attorney general in Indiana took to Twitter and called for Madison police to use live ammunition to end the protests in the capitol. "[A]gainst thugs physically threatening legally-elected state legislators & governor?" he tweeted in an exchange with a Mother Jones editor. "You're damn right I advocate deadly force."
Dan and others from RTC will be there, with the usual accoutrements. As always, each participant is responsible for compliance with all applicable local laws.
http://www.alternet.org/news/149986/...entire&h=689cf
Workers' Uprising: Two Dozen Protests Launched Across Wisconsin, TV Talk Show Blackout of Union Reps
Here's a run-down on events and key analysis on the fast-moving events in Wisconsin's state capitol -- and nationwide.
February 21, 2011 |
Yesterday, we told you about the Gallup poll which found that 61 percent of respondents opposed stripping workers of their right to bargain collectively. Media Matters caught Fox "News" simply reversing the results of the poll.
This wasn't just an "error" in their graphics, by the way. Fox & Friends co-host Brian Kilmeade also made the claim on-air. No wonder protesters are shouting "Fox Lies" this week.
As the drama unfolding in Wisconsin continues, a large coalition of progressive groups has issued an Emergency Call to Action and are planning to offer a massive show of solidarity with the workers of Wisconsin and protest the right's plan to slash vital services in the name of balancing the budget.
The groups are planning “Save the American Dream” rallies in all 50 state capitals for Saturday at noon (local time). You can find out more about the rallies here.
Update (by AlterNet staff):
A DailyKos diarist has drawn an interesting connection between the Koch brothers' business interests in Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's bill:
One of the hidden provisions in Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker’s union busting bill concerns state-owned heating, cooling, and power plants. The emphasis in the stories I’ve read has been on the sale of those power plants, but read a little more carefully:
“[the department] may sell any state-owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state.”
...The Kochs funneled millions into Walker’s campaign. They’re right around the corner from the governor. They specialize in energy industries. How can they possibly claim this:
"What they want is a contract for the operation of the plants, which the governor will be authorized to draw up and sign with no oversight, no public announcement, and no limit on the amount Wisconsin taxpayers like me will pay to the Koch brothers."
...
Amanda Terkel from the Huffington Post reports that the TV talk shows are showing little interest in bringing on union officials:
A union official told The Huffington Post that when none of the Sunday shows' producers reached out to them to book a labor representative this week, several unions started to pitch the shows with affected workers and local and national leaders who they felt could discuss the protests. The official said the response from the shows was essentially "thanks, but no thanks."
...
Politifact reviews Gov. Scott Walker's claim that he had campaigned on curtailing collective bargaining for two years. Politifact's Conclusion? False.
...:
Talking Points Memo dug into the story, which we reported earlier this week, of the provision in Walker's union-busting bill that would allow the state to sell-off its power plants to the private sector in a no-bid process. The no-bid part of that is obviously a big red flag, but it turns out that the measure isn't quite the give-away to his corporate backers that it appeared at first blush. That's because the state's plants are antiquated and need significant investment to conform with environmental regs.
...
Yesterday's big story was the "prank call" made by a blogger posing as oily right-wing billionaire David Koch to Scott Walker. It revealed the right-wing governor's hostility toward working people and the lengths to which he would go to strip them of their rights. And it was amusing -- the phony Koch sounded like an exaggerated parody of fat-cat, right-wing funder, yet Walker never even became suspicious. The hard-right is difficult to parody.
...the Governor also explains how he is going to layoff thousands of Wisconsin workers as a tactic to get the Democrats to cooperate: “So, we’re trying about four or five different angles. Each day we crank up a little bit more pressure. The other thing is I’ve got layoff notices ready, we put out the at-risk notices, we’ll announce Thursday, they’ll go out early next week and we’ll probably get five to six thousand state workers will get at-risk notices for layoffs. We might ratchet that up a little bit too.”
The move has been called “despicable” and “ruthless “ and “sickening.” But most importantly, if he is choosing to lay off workers as a political tactic when he wasn’t’ otherwise planning to do so then it is not just morally repugnant but legally questionable. State and federal contract and labor law has protections against this type of abusive behavior and inappropriate quid pro quo.
This morning the Capital Times quotes the state’s former Attorney General: “There clearly are potential ethics violations, and there are potential election-law violations and there are a lot of what look to me like labor-law violations,” said Peg Lautenschlager,
Bottari notes that Wisconsin has "the toughest ethics law in the nation."
but the state's lawmakers have to track down the 14 senators who defected from the state last week in protest of Walker's union-busting bill. As we mentioned earlier, state troopers have been deployed to the senators' homes. According to the AP, "The lawmakers can't be arrested, but Republican Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald said he hoped the move would pressure them to return. He would not say how many Democrats were being targeted, but said it was more than one."
Update (by AlterNet staff): Yesterday, Gov. Scott Walker admitted to plotting to trick the missing Democratic lawmakers into returning to the Capitol. Walker said he'd draw Democrats back by pretending to want to talk, then make use of a loophole that would let Republicans hold a quorum without the Democrats present. (Walker admitted this to liberal blogger Ian Murphy from the Buffalo Beast
Update (by AlterNet staff): Cops called on unwelcome Tea Party activist hunting for Wisconsin Dems at hotel in Harvard, Illinois.
A "Major Incident Response Team" from the Milwaukee Police Department will be sent to Madison to help maintain order at the state Capitol, the department announced Wednesday.
Update:
Just as they've done in Wisconsin and Indiana, as an Illinois state rep Abe Lincoln once fled the state house -- exiting out a window -- to prevent a vote on a controversial bill. But all week, conservatives -- as well as a few confused pseudo-liberals -- have been advancing the argument that when a minority in a legislature uses parliamentary procedures it's some kind of assault on democracy. There's even an effort underway to recall the 14 Wisconsin senators who left the state last week.
Today, Think Progress reports that not all conservatives have bought into this argument.
Yesterday, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) defended his state’s vanished senators, saying their fleeing is “perfectly legitimate“:
Daniels, a Republican, said earlier Tuesday he supported the Democrats’ right to deny Republicans a quorum to do business and the rights of labor unions to protest at the Statehouse.
...:
In Michigan, the House passed the Republicans' "emergency measure" (see below), which will now be taken up in the state senate.
...
Earlier, we brought you the story of a far-right deputy attorney general in Indiana who urged Wisconsin cops to use live ammo on protesters. Today, he was fired. Good riddance.
...
Tea Party supporters clashed over the stalemate 1,200 miles away, between teachers and the governor of Wisconsin."
According to the Washington Times, "Dozens of leaders of the tea party movement have come out in support of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker in his standoff with Democrats and public-sector unions over the state’s budget deficit."
That sentence is telling. The battle is not, in fact, "over the state's budget deficit," as those confused tea partiers have been led to believe; among other things, it gives the governor the power to sell off state-owned infrastructure -- possibly to his well-heeled patrons -- in a no-bid process. As we reported below, government watch-dogs call that a major "red flag." It also contains a provision that centralizes power over the state's public health programs iwith a measure that the legislature's legal analyst warns may be a violation of the separation of powers doctrine.
So, these folks who believe in transparency and "cleaning up" the state house are being sold on a "deficit reduction" bill, but they're in fact fighting for a bill that would be ripe for Big Government corruption and what may be an un-Constitutional centralization of power. Telling.
Big news out of Indiana, as the Indianapolis Star reports that GOP lawmakers have pulled their controversial right-to-work-for-lower-wages bill. They'll send it to a committee for further study. But the Dems who fled the state will not return yet "because they have additional issues they want resolved."
The bill includes a provision that would allow the state to sell or contract out the operation of heating, cooling, and power plants without a bidding process and without consulting the state’s independent utility regulator. Democratic legislators worried aloud that the process would attract abuse, and Jon Peacock, Director of the Wisconsin Budget Project, called the no-bid approach a “red flag.”
TPM reports that a conservative deputy attorney general in Indiana took to Twitter and called for Madison police to use live ammunition to end the protests in the capitol. "[A]gainst thugs physically threatening legally-elected state legislators & governor?" he tweeted in an exchange with a Mother Jones editor. "You're damn right I advocate deadly force."
Dan and others from RTC will be there, with the usual accoutrements. As always, each participant is responsible for compliance with all applicable local laws.
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“So, we’re trying about four or five different angles. Each day we crank up a little bit more pressure. The other thing is I’ve got layoff notices ready, we put out the at-risk notices, we’ll announce Thursday, they’ll go out early next week and we’ll probably get five to six thousand state workers will get at-risk notices for layoffs. We might
ratchet that up a little bit too.”
The move has been called “despicable” and “ruthless “ and “sickening
Now, this strategy reads oddly familiar with a federal program aimed at meeting deportation quotas...ah, yes, Secure Communities is called. We will pretend we will catch 'criminals', but since they are only 1/3 of the total number of deportations (because the majority of immigrants aren't even close to petty criminals; and this is a fact, not my opinion) we need to find ways to bring in more numbers. We will ratch up the pressure for people to self-deport and the ones who find themselves in the system we don't really worry about, once in it is almost impossible to get out, and when they get their cases denied in court and a final order of removal is entered, they will be 'fugitives' and therefore we can add them to the criminals. All of this at the President's request.
By order of the president the banks get free bailouts with taxpayer money, IRS tax cheats will get their second chance at amnesty in less than 18 months (see: IRS announces amnesty deal for offshore accounts http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/08/ir...hore-accounts/), and the wealthy will keep their tax cuts, while everyone else must sacrifice for themselves, their families, communities, cities and states.
The move has been called “despicable” and “ruthless “ and “sickening
Now, this strategy reads oddly familiar with a federal program aimed at meeting deportation quotas...ah, yes, Secure Communities is called. We will pretend we will catch 'criminals', but since they are only 1/3 of the total number of deportations (because the majority of immigrants aren't even close to petty criminals; and this is a fact, not my opinion) we need to find ways to bring in more numbers. We will ratch up the pressure for people to self-deport and the ones who find themselves in the system we don't really worry about, once in it is almost impossible to get out, and when they get their cases denied in court and a final order of removal is entered, they will be 'fugitives' and therefore we can add them to the criminals. All of this at the President's request.
By order of the president the banks get free bailouts with taxpayer money, IRS tax cheats will get their second chance at amnesty in less than 18 months (see: IRS announces amnesty deal for offshore accounts http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/08/ir...hore-accounts/), and the wealthy will keep their tax cuts, while everyone else must sacrifice for themselves, their families, communities, cities and states.
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P.S. Remember that "Alternatives to Immigration Reform" memo that was 'leaked' last year? That memo, though undated, makes references to regulations that provided immigration relief to certain military family members that President Obama signed into law in December 2009 - the fact that it was discussedindicates that he had already given up the idea of CIR, and I am 100% sure that Pelosi, Durbin, Reid, et al, knew this as long ago as Dec.2009/early 2010. This memo came from the very top, the Chief Counsel, Roxana Bacon is the head of policy at USCIS. Of course the talk about CIR/Dream was a bluff to string Hispanics into helping the Dems retain whatever seats they could in Congress. Everyone has an interest in keeping people 'illegal': The employers, ICE (so that they can keep their agents' jobs), the SSA, the 'advocates' (so they can keep their advocacy lobbies), the "Spanish" language 'market' (this includes the bottom-tier media quality of Univision, et al. They need a Hispanic market to exist).
On the other hand, ICE and CBP agents are all unionized. If the rights of federal worker' unions to bargain are terminated, then their unions will be devoid of the power to voice a vote of "lack of confidence" (read: we don't agree with your order banning us from abusing our power against 'illegals') to higher officials:
"No confidence votes" become a pattern at ICE and Border Patrol (http://www.examiner.com/county-polit...-border-patrol)
The recent 259-0 disapproval of ICE’s point man John Morton by his fellow coworkers lends itself to an unwanted pattern in federal law enforcement agencies. Just last year the U.S. Border Patrol’s union, National Border Patrol Council put forth a similar vote and declared “no confidence” in their leader, David V. Aguilar.
The unanimous “no confidence vote” from the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) rank-and-file union came about because management is abandoning its mission of protecting the public in order to support a political agenda including amnesty unnerves ICE agents...
Unnerves them alright...that they will loose their jobs if CIR is passed. Maybe there's a silver lining in this after all.
On the other hand, ICE and CBP agents are all unionized. If the rights of federal worker' unions to bargain are terminated, then their unions will be devoid of the power to voice a vote of "lack of confidence" (read: we don't agree with your order banning us from abusing our power against 'illegals') to higher officials:
"No confidence votes" become a pattern at ICE and Border Patrol (http://www.examiner.com/county-polit...-border-patrol)
The recent 259-0 disapproval of ICE’s point man John Morton by his fellow coworkers lends itself to an unwanted pattern in federal law enforcement agencies. Just last year the U.S. Border Patrol’s union, National Border Patrol Council put forth a similar vote and declared “no confidence” in their leader, David V. Aguilar.
The unanimous “no confidence vote” from the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) rank-and-file union came about because management is abandoning its mission of protecting the public in order to support a political agenda including amnesty unnerves ICE agents...
Unnerves them alright...that they will loose their jobs if CIR is passed. Maybe there's a silver lining in this after all.
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02-28-2011, 02:04 AM
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but while CIR or DA even comes up to vote, ice is out there everyday getting as many people deported as they can, and thats the reality not all the fluff talk that they show on the TV about how theyre 'trying' the truth is Democrats havent really tried, and the Republicans are simply a much worser option, and we all know that even IF it came up for voting, it would never pass for another 2 years in a republican led house, we also gotta face the other option, that maybe theyve just been bullshitting all this time, if u see words vs what theyve actually done it should be pretty clear
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