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Canada and the United States Sign Visa and Immigration Information-Sharing Agreement

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12-22-2012, 11:20 PM
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It makes me wonder if DACA information will be shared as well in this agreement.
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On December 13, 2012, Citizenship, Immigration and Multiculturalism Minister Jason Kenney and United States Ambassador to Canada David Jacobson signed the U.S.-Canada Visa and Immigration Information-Sharing Agreement (the "Agreement") in furtherance of the Perimeter Security and Economic Competitiveness Action Plan (the "Action Plan"), which was signed in 2011 by Prime Minister Stephen Harper and President Barack Obama. As part of the Action Plan, Canada and the United States committed to share immigration information to improve border efficiency and security, by establishing and verifying the identities of foreign nationals, and identifying those who were inadmissible, at the earliest opportunity.

The Agreement authorizes development of arrangements under which Canada may send an automated request for data to the United States, such as when a third country national applies to Canada for a visa or claims asylum. Such a request would contain limited information, such as name and date of birth in the case of biographic sharing, or an anonymous fingerprint in the case of biometric sharing. If the identity matches that of a previous application, immigration information may be shared, such as whether the person has previously been refused a visa or removed from the other country. The same process would apply in reverse when a third country national applies to the United States for a visa or claims asylum.

According to the Agreement, no information will be shared on Canadian or United States citizens or permanent residents. However, it will allow both countries to share information regarding third-country nationals who apply for a visa or a permit to travel to either country. The Agreement also provides an additional tool for regular, systematic information sharing on inland asylum claimants.

Biographic immigration information sharing is set to begin in 2013 and biometric sharing in 2014.
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Soon Mexico will follow through and other countries


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Yes you will be submitted to the Interpol database, without your consent.

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Yes you will be submitted to the Interpol database, without your consent.

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We will? Do you have a source for this other than Wikipedia and conspiracy sites?
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Anyway, I actually thought USA and Canada already have such agreement in place. Both countries want to make sure that an asylum seeker denied by one country can't simply apply to the other and waste govt resources. USA also doesn't want people she deports to enter Canada later and sneak back in, as the northern border is far longer and not nearly as secure as the southern one. Canada obviously has no interest in granting visas to potential border jumpers either.
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Anyway, I actually thought USA and Canada already have such agreement in place. Both countries want to make sure that an asylum seeker denied by one country can't simply apply to the other and waste govt resources. USA also doesn't want people she deports to enter Canada later and sneak back in, as the northern border is far longer and not nearly as secure as the southern one. Canada obviously has no interest in granting visas to potential border jumpers either.
Yeah, but this is information regarding third-nation citizens. For now. If the Canadian government wants the biographic and biometric info of a Mexican citizen, and that citizen has never applied for admission to Canada, shouldn't they get approval (if any) from the person in question and/or the Mexican government?

Canada has a reasonable immigration system with reasonable entry laws; so what if a DACA beneficiary who has a 10 yr bar to adjustment status in the U.S., but meets Canadian immigration requirements, decides to immigrate there. He or she, am sure,will now be burdened by their lack of U.S. immigration status when it has absolutely nothing to do with another sovereign nation's immigration laws. If this were only for security reasons -eg, terrorism, drug-trafficking, gang activity, sex crimes, violence, etc- it wouldn't matter, but this is using another country's government for non-criminal, civilian monitoring.
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Oh boy! Here we go again. Why are you so paranoid about everything?
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Yeah, but this is information regarding third-nation citizens. For now. If the Canadian government wants the biographic and biometric info of a Mexican citizen, and that citizen has never applied for admission to Canada, shouldn't they get approval (if any) from the person in question and/or the Mexican government?

Canada has a reasonable immigration system with reasonable entry laws; so what if a DACA beneficiary who has a 10 yr bar to adjustment status in the U.S., but meets Canadian immigration requirements, decides to immigrate there. He or she, am sure,will now be burdened by their lack of U.S. immigration status when it has absolutely nothing to do with another sovereign nation's immigration laws. If this were only for security reasons -eg, terrorism, drug-trafficking, gang activity, sex crimes, violence, etc- it wouldn't matter, but this is using another country's government for non-criminal, civilian monitoring.
I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just saying that it's not a surprise at all.
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We will? Do you have a source for this other than Wikipedia and conspiracy sites?
It's good common sense, when you had your biometrics data captured, your information was submitted to a database similar to Interpol, which is connected to Interpol. For example if, a "dreamer" someday goes to vacation in France, he goes out to a bar, had one too many drinks and get's into a fight with the locals, cause a lot of damage and flee the scene, thinking he got away with it. The authority's check local cameras, take a snap shot of his face, process it through the database and bingo we have our offender. Just like if you get pulled over by the cops they ask for your ID which they enter in their database and there you are.
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I think on the US side it is really just an interest to have access to Canada's immigration database on those who were possibly denied applications while in Canada it is to seek out information concerning statistics of specific nationals that a US embassy,CBP or ICE may have come into contact with.

Canada is lead by a Conservative government and from what I've been able to surmise a lot of individuals from specific countries have been applying for asylum there and this has caused the aforementioned countries to lose their visa free status to Canada.In order to get around this problem the nationals of the countries that had high statistics for applying for Asylum now use Mexican guides to illegally enter then transit throug the US to get to Canada.
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