U.S. Officials: Putin Personally Involved in U.S. Election Hack

It looks like USA is much more confident Putin was behind how Hillary's crooked information was released to affect the election.

It is interesting how the media calls this Election hack when it doesn't have anything to do with altering of the physical voting machines or votes but rather how Putin influenced on the voter outcome.

Also it is interesting how the video released of Trump grabbing a women's part is not considered a controversy because it influences votes against him but Putin helping to timely release the emails from Hillary is considered a rigged election.

All these politics are affecting our chances of ever getting Dream Act or some kind of CIR to pass.

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Yeah, THIS is hindering our chances, and not the politicians who haven't been able to compromise on a bill for the past 16 years.....

On a side note, the russian hacks are not the same as a dirty campaign strategy by either party. A foreign power has hacked both parties, released the dirt on one so far, and will release the other side when it fits their agenda, or you think the russians messed with the clinton campaign because they want to be pals with trump? If you do, I recommend you check out the Foundations Of Geopolitics, a book used in Russia, and read what they say about us. But thats a discussion for another time and another board.

The difference is one was by a foreign government and the other from within the US.

It wasn't about the emails it was about the spreading of fake news. Your comparing apples and oranges with the trump video statement.

I think it is hindering our chances because if Trump gets impeached then we get Pence. Say goodbye to any immigration bill Trump and Ryan were thinking about.

I do not have to read it, I can just read a summary.

The reason Russia did what they did to Hillary was because Putin doesn't like her. Hillary had attack/criticize him.

Also instead of blaming Russia, shouldn't we blame Hillary for having dirt on her rather than the country or government who released it? if Hillary did not had the dirt she had, Trump would of never won.

Also, you're right that book is pretty frightened and we can link the racial tensions Russia wants to create to what is happening here at the moment.

But is all conspiracy, not facts that the Russian government is really following that book fascism idea. Maybe I am wrong, maybe you are wrong but we do not know it for a fact.

I am not talking about the fake news, I am talking about the released emails that Russia did.

If Hillary didnt had the dirt she had on, all fake news or emails that had no content at all wouldn't shift peoples opinion about her.

It is easier to convince people with fake news about someone who has dirt on than someone who never did.

And that is what Trump did, he took that to his advantage and used Hillary's weakness to turn people against her.

I have been thinking about the Russian hacks and the intervention of foreign powers in the elections and it is rather interesting . You guys have to remember that the U.S government has been meddling with Democratic elections all over the world!

The U.S has fixed democratic elections in Latin America and many other places numerous times in order to suit the interest of the United States. This is just karma catching up.

I do agree with the point made by Chyno, and I alluded to it first I think. This could derail our efforts, I hope not, but it would not be the first time.


Also, Russian fake news and trolls do have an effect. The average citizen is to stupid to understand and political divide make the effect even more pronounced.

You, without knowing it are a victim of it as well, it is all a big game of manipulation from both sides to be honest. It is just that more right wing people tend to be an easier target for this type of brainwashing.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...n-hack-n696146

I think thats far more serious than the damage imposed on any of the two candidates. This extends further than Clinton, this is about the nation.

Also, news just broke that a super PAC with close ties to Ryan used hacked material to influence some House races, so I wouldn't put too much trust in him either. If you are not aware, every politician has some sort of dirt on them, if not go back and see that Hilary wasn't the first, and won't be the last, to do what she did.

We had so much higher standards in the 1970's.

As a final note, we can't say Pence is worse than Trump. We haven't heard enough of him to make that assumption.

I agree, but would also like to add that in most cases those countries did not end up so well. So if we have proof that Trump's win was influenced by a foreign nation, and we look back at the times that we've done it, then we can only assume that this might not be so bright of a future after all.

Yeah this so hard. DAP Trump supporters mentality is really really off what one would consider american

this is what they are saying

"oh I don't care that other countries like Russian are destroying Amerericas integrity by hacking and exposing internal information if it means exposing CROOKED MEAN AWFUL people like Hillary I don't care if the entire nation will suffer in the long run, its good that people like Hillary are being EXPOSED for the crooked people that they are"

This is really really mess up.... these DAP dreamers are NOT american at all.