Shutdown watch: What Trump's DACA moves mean

jaylove16 · 01-12-2018, 11:52 AM

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In other words, the President, and Republicans in Congress, deliberately pulled the rug out from under the "group of six" proposal, in the most definitive of ways (with Friday morning's presidential tweets attempting to bury it six feet under for good measure).
And this was a coordinated effort by Republicans who saw the proposal as a complete non-starter.
So here's where lawmakers are right now, seven days from a potential shutdown, on getting an actual deal (not an agreement, or an agreement in principle, or like-minded people thinking alike): nowhere close.

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It's still an open question, but Democrats do see a dynamic shift here. Aides -- and it's worth noting, most directly involved in the talks were very quiet Thursday night, willing to let this just sit out there on its own -- say it clearly hardens the resolve on the negotiators, but also, as one put it, "lays bare the true motivations and thinking of a president who tried to use words like 'love' and how much he cared in front of cameras. You tell me who the public will blame if this doesn't get done."

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What's still out there
The Group of No. 2s -- Cornyn, Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy and House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer -- is where the center of gravity has shifted toward, at least in the eyes of senior Republicans in both chamber

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The problem? They've been together for all of about five days. But in what one GOP aide pointed to as a positive: "They're leadership. They've got juice. And you needed something to blow up before a real deal could come together. And that's what happened Thursday."

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politi...lay/index.html

Afridi786 · 01-12-2018, 11:56 AM

These politicians are useless.

year2010 · 01-12-2018, 12:00 PM

So what do you guys think. Is this it? The end of this whole ride at the bottom of the abyss?

cooltalker · 01-12-2018, 12:03 PM

Dems aren't going to try to force a shutdown, so these articles need to stop mentioning it. Both sides need to make concessions. Stubborn motherfuckers don't want to get anything done.

JJ Glo · 01-12-2018, 12:04 PM

Let's not expect anything to get done on Jan. 19. Another CR will surely pass and we'll be left hanging.

Afridi786 · 01-12-2018, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Glo

Let's not expect anything to get done on Jan. 19. Another CR will surely pass and we'll be left hanging.

I'm not sure that wasn't the plan all along.

jaylove16 · 01-12-2018, 12:07 PM

I still expect something to be done before a long term agreement . We are going to be fine even though yesterday was a rough day.

magdation1 · 01-12-2018, 12:07 PM

I think right now we have the opportunity for 2 Hail Marys:

1. The Group of No.2s will have something, that the crazies like Cotton can somewhat be okay with before the CR deadline (January 19th).

2. Or with Judge Alsup's ruling to keep DACA while litigations are taking place, DHS could post renewal steps before an Appeal takes place and helps extend some of the expired or soon-to-be-expire Dreamers, therefore buying some extra time post March 5th deadline

In all honestly, the original deal was not very good one; with only $1b for the wall, TPS plus DACA, and legalizing Dreamer parents, seems like a terrible sell for the Trump supporters.They should definitely increase the wall money.

And honestly I would be totally okay with them charging Dreamers a $2k fee por papers in order to subsidized part of the he wall and it could be paid in installments for those that can't pay for it all at once. We could buy a little sign when the wall gets built that says "Brought to you by Dreamers".

JJ Glo · 01-12-2018, 12:09 PM

Judge's ruling on DACA could be a way out for Trump to "extend DACA" without actually doing so. I'm hopeful we will be able to renew at least once more before it is challened in SCOTUS

jaylove16 · 01-12-2018, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Glo

Judge's ruling on DACA could be a way out for Trump to "extend DACA" without actually doing so. I'm hopeful we will be able to renew at least once more before it is challened in SCOTUS

Tbh we just need one more renewal till we get to the 2018 elections. If the blue waves gets Dems control of even one chamber of congress, then it would be a great thing!

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