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Man charged with killing Mollie Tibbetts is an undocumented immigrant - Page 6

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08-22-2018, 11:07 AM
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ALSO, I will add one more thing...

I admit that I sound like a total loony conspiracy theorists, but how weird is it that this case of a missing girl in the American heartland, Trump's base, has dragged on for so long. And it just so happens that they find the body AND the murderer yesterday, just a few days after a very public visit by VP Mike Pence, and at the same time of the Cohen/Manafort bombshells........

Am I crazy for even thinking this is all very weird?
No you're not. It's very reasonable and I would not be surprised if the revelations of the incident were known before and were put on ice, because the Trump Administration knew Manafort and Cohen were going to be busted - they were just waiting for an advantageous opportunity to make the revelations known. A distraction tactic. Would not be surprised. Sick animals.
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08-22-2018, 11:46 AM
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I want to separate the murder case from the media coverage because if we don't then we get into weird comments about her attractiveness and youth.... IDK what this thread has devolved into...

But, here is what I will say about media coverage and why DOES matter.

Some are saying "this is no big deal! The media cares about Cohen/Manafort. The only people that are focusing on this case and his citizenship are Fox News."

EXACTLY! Trump voters, by and large, are not watching CNN. They are watching Fox. The case is being used to deflect attention from the Cohen/Manafort cases AND demonize undocumented immigrants. And why by and large our little liberal bubbles are not focusing on the guy's status, others outside of it are. Look at Fox News and Breitbart. These are no longer fringe media sources, but rather media machines that helped elect Trump. We don't need the support of CNN liberals for immigration reform (of any kind). We have it anyway. We need the support of staunch opposers who have been blocking it for decades. And this case does nothing to help our case. It riles up those opposers and even gets some of those who were previously ambivalent toward undocumented immigrants pissed off. You have to understand them a little bit too. Think about it, if you were the parents of this girl, wouldn't you be incredibly pissed and angry?

The problem is these people (Trump supporters) don't listen to facts or reason. How are you ever going to change their mind? You aren't. This feeds into their preconceived notions about all immigrants being criminals. We've been here before with an undocumented person committing a crime and it will happen again. Just as citizens commit crimes, so do immigrants (statistics show immigrants commit less crimes than citizens). If this hadn't happened they'd use some previous incident to paint immigrants as criminals.
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The illegal who killed Kate was let of extremely lightly due to the shithole of California kangaroo courts. I expect that in this situation the law will be applied fairly and without activism from the courts.
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It doesn't matter at the end of the day. Bigots will be bigots no matter what. Even if this never happened. The same thing happens with school shootings...


No matter how many we get, they will always be for uncontrolled gun ownership.
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It doesn't matter at the end of the day. Bigots will be bigots no matter what. Even if this never happened. The same thing happens with school shootings...


No matter how many we get, they will always be for uncontrolled gun ownership.
A man without a gun will always fall prey to other men with guns, whether other men has the backing of crime or of the state is irrelevant.

Guaranteed that if guns were outlawed, people would just print them, or make them from scratch. The era of gun regulation has come to an end.

Nuclear weapons are to states, as guns are to people. Those who have them dictate the rules to those who don't.
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A man without a gun will always fall prey to other men with guns, whether other men has the backing of crime or of the state is irrelevant.

Guaranteed that if guns were outlawed, people would just print them, or make them from scratch. The era of gun regulation has come to an end.

Nuclear weapons are to states, as guns are to people. Those who have them dictate the rules to those who don't.

You might be right, however it does not make it right. I don't walk mentally deranged people to own guns.
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It doesn't matter at the end of the day. Bigots will be bigots no matter what. Even if this never happened. The same thing happens with school shootings...


No matter how many we get, they will always be for uncontrolled gun ownership.
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You might be right, however it does not make it right. I don't walk mentally deranged people to own guns.
Your wants are irrelevant to what is, guns are more plentiful than ever before. You could have a gun in 4 hours if you went down to home depot and got parts together.

3d printing of gun parts is a thing now, with several leftist states trying to stop them, but it is by far too late.

Lastly, without guns the government can do whatever it wants to you. Plentiful guns keep governments in check, keeps tyranny in check, and helps maintain the peace. It makes the government think twice about pissing off an armed populace. A government in check is a prosperous and fee society. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun.

You cannot talk a deranged psycho into not killing, but you can shoot him until he can't kill anymore.

It's like wanting to ban fire. Fire is not good or bad, it just is. There is no right or wrong here, banning guns just outlaws legal ownership, but when anyone can make an untraceable gun, its a toothless law.
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Your wants are irrelevant to what is, guns are more plentiful than ever before. You could have a gun in 4 hours if you went down to home depot and got parts together.

3d printing of gun parts is a thing now, with several leftist states trying to stop them, but it is by far too late.

Lastly, without guns the government can do whatever it wants to you. Plentiful guns keep governments in check, keeps tyranny in check, and helps maintain the peace. It makes the government think twice about off an armed populace. A government in check is a prosperous and fee society. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun.

You cannot talk a deranged psycho into not, but you can shoot him until he can't anymore.

It's like wanting to ban fire. Fire is not good or bad, it just is. There is no right or wrong here, banning guns just outlaws legal ownership, but when anyone can make an untraceable gun, its a toothless law.
do you lost your mind man? in Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and Libya everyone has a gun and you know how safe people are there.
if US government wants to do something against citizenry they had tons of tools, both lethal and non lethal. biochemical weapon, neutron bombs etc can wipe out population centers without damaging infrastructure. does anyone can stand against world's finest military? when you open fire on LEO or any government official you are inviting your death. only Gandhi and MLK like peaceful protest, ballot power and civil disobedience is needed to bring down a tyrant here. by the way there are already enough checks and balances created by forefathers to stop tyrants taking over absolute power.
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Prayers for Tibbetts family and all who knew her. I hope he gets the punishment he deserves.
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do you lost your mind man? in Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and Libya everyone has a gun and you know how safe people are there.
if US government wants to do something against citizenry they had tons of tools, both lethal and non lethal. biochemical weapon, neutron bombs etc can wipe out population centers without damaging infrastructure. does anyone can stand against world's finest military? when you open fire on LEO or any government official you are inviting your death. only Gandhi and MLK like peaceful protest, ballot power and civil disobedience is needed to bring down a tyrant here. by the way there are already enough checks and balances created by forefathers to stop tyrants taking over absolute power.
You forgot a key component though, the military is made up of commoners who would most likely not harm civilians. Civilians are not the enemy of the military, but what is going on with the militarization of police, is that more and more people are waking up to flash bangs in their houses and even a fucking flash bang thown into a baby's crib.

Disobedience to the flash bang or taser? I THINK NOT.

However government agents routinely harass people, deprive them of property, and even deprive them of life. I'm sure you've heard of asset forfeiture?

Afghanistan was toppled by terrorism, that does not mean that the military and security forces should put down their guns and let themselves be murdered by terrorists. Notice how in all those countries the only way to obtain true safety is via the usage of guns. Here you are spoiled rotten with police on call. Sure. Just call the cops while they rape your wife, by the time they get here in 40 minutes they'll have strangled little jimmy and killed the dog.

Guns save lives, instead of being a victim the wife can shoot them dead. Little jimmy will survive, and the dog will be just fine.

Notice how you get rid of terrorists, its via the usage of guns and munitions, not peacefully voting them out, not protesting them. Ironically enough terrorists love protests, because they can sneak a suicide bomber in and they have plenty of close by casualties. Shit they may not even need to suicide, they could just leave a backpack like that terrorist in boston.

Ballot Power! Checks and balances?! LMAOO. Unless you forgot but TRUMP is president, the so called checks and balances DO NOT WORK. Unless you forgot the patriot act was swiftly ran through congress! Those so called checks and balances are keeping you illegal.

Protests can be eliminated under the guise of preventing a riot, there are people who routinely employ instigators to cause protests to become violent and justify the need of government force against protesters. Not only that but there exist paid protest groups, which make the whole exercise annoying to everyone not involved, a waste of time, and a fools errand. Protesters often run out into the highway and cause massive inconveniences for everyone not involved. Some have even been hit by cars.

Notice how you did not manage to prove me wrong that a bad guy with a gun can only be stopped by a good guy with a gun. What are you gonna do hug a terrorist?

Ballot power?! HA TRUMP is president. There's your so called ballot power in action. You want ballot power, take a look at how trump won with the MINORITY of voters. More people voted for hillary. So much for that check and balance.

You want more awesome ballot power? How about the politicians that keep their congressional seat basically for life? How long has fine-stein been in office? We need term limits, cause the ballot power is just enriching the wrong people and screwing the common folks.

There is no more time for flower power kumbaya, the world is going a righteous re-alignment with reality.

You really think its a check and balance for congress to continuously raise their own salaries? To be near unaccountable to the public? To provide onerous regulation under the guise of protecting the consumer so that their industry pals win out over mom and pop shops?

What are you gonna do? Protest the factories? Get the cops called on you and tear gas thrown out for trespassing?

The founding fathers never intended for the government to get so large and out of hand. The welfare state should've never been implemented in the first place. Getting government out of people's lives and affairs for only the most basic things is what they intended. Local government that is accountable to you. Not some idiot in washington who you call and call but never does anything of value. Who spends 2/3rds of the year on vacation. Who is worried more about their political seat than your well-being.

Have you lost your mind?
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