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Immigration Reform's Hidden Factor

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Ruben Navarrette has written an article concerning a factor that is rarely talked about in the general immigration debate,which is the superiority complex exhibited by those whom are masking their true intent against immigration whether legal or otherwise.
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SAN DIEGO -- A month ago, before most Americans had ever heard of Sonia Sotomayor, I predicted to a group of friends that Latinos would get either a Supreme Court justice or immigration reform -- but not both. My theory: The political gurus in the Obama White House know that many Americans think the country does too much to accommodate the nation's largest minority as it is. Asking for more would seem gluttonous.

Still, with the administration promising to at least restart the debate on comprehensive immigration reform this year -- although apparently waiting for Congress to act first -- advocates are now convening in symposiums or conference calls to search for a new strategy to convince Americans that it's time to fix a broken system.

As someone who tries to travel down the middle on immigration -- for instance, favoring both a path to legalization for illegal immigrants and stringent conditions on how to earn that privilege -- I've been invited to participate in a few of these sessions.

Some of what is being said -- sprinkled with research and results from focus groups -- is insightful. Other parts of the dialogue are frustrating. For me, one thing that is especially hard to swallow is that so many enlightened and well-meaning immigration reform advocates are so eager to run away from the race issue. They believe -- with some justification, no doubt -- that, once anyone on their side even hints that racism is part of the immigration debate, the conversation is over.

And so, they say, the best way to increase the chances for reform is to avoid that kind of talk and concentrate on arguments that might actually persuade people. Talk about personal responsibility, they say -- about how those who are in the country illegally must acknowledge wrongdoing, make amends, learn English and otherwise assimilate. And, they say, avoid making any demands on U.S. citizens -- most of whom don't accept that they share any responsibility for the current situation, much less a duty to help correct it.

Still, I'm in no hurry to let go of the racial angle. It's absolutely true that a big part of the anxiety that many Americans currently feel about increased immigration levels fits a historical pattern. What worries people most is what they see as the inferior quality of the immigrants coming ashore -- or, if you prefer, crossing the border.

After all, that's one way that racism typically manifests itself -- through a sense of superiority. It can also come through fear or animosity. You'll find all these variations in the modern immigration debate, which has taken on a discernibly anti-Latino, specifically anti-Mexican, flavor. Some Americans dispute this and insist that race and ethnicity have nothing to do with concerns over illegal immigration. Rather, what has so many people upset, they claim, is that it is -- hello -- illegal.

Rubbish. If that were true, the debate wouldn't lapse so quickly into talk of limiting legal immigration as well. It wouldn't be the case that some of the most vocal organizations on the restrictionists' side -- the Center for Immigration Studies, the Federation for American Immigration Reform, NumbersUSA, etc. -- have an agenda that includes limiting all immigration. There wouldn't be such ugliness, as when conservative commentator Patrick Buchanan wrote in a recent book that the United States was better off when most of its immigrants came from Europe as opposed to Asia, Africa and Latin America. Also, Americans wouldn't have such a long and unpleasant history of being unwelcoming to immigrants if race and ethnicity didn't figure in.

After all, the Germans, Chinese, Irish, and Italians who entered the country in the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries were mistreated in much the same way that subsequent waves from other parts of the world would be. Why? It's because, as foreigners, they were believed to be inferior.

Which brings us to why it's important to be honest about racism in the immigration debate: Acknowledging it allows Americans, the children of immigrants, to empathize with new arrivals who suffer many of the same trials as those who came before them.


Still, some maintain that the best strategy for getting comprehensive immigration reform is to downplay racism because it makes some people feel uncomfortable.

Yes, I know. The truth has a way of doing that. And any campaign that asks Americans to deny the truth to achieve a political goal asks too much.
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If every illegal/legal immigrant that is here; is white, or European... then trust me; there wouldn't be much of a problem.

my History professor told me, cause i asked her... "why all i hear is, your ILLEGAL, what part of that don't you get, even though you came when you were a baby"... she told me, "that's because real people find a solution to EVERY problem, and not just take a shortcut & an easy way out".

I'm white myself, but im sick and tired of people saying "oh these Mexicans think their in Mexico, bumping Spanish music and wearing their flags in the car"...

and im like "what about the Arabs in this country that in NY every store is in Arabic writing, what about the Arabic women not assimilating into how American women dress... what about the Italians and the Irish that proudly stick the Irish and Italian flags in their cars... what about the Jewish community who have their own police, their own schools, their own hospitals, what about them, why doesn't anyone have a problem with them assimilating?... or the fact that they have the most bizarre way they dress... why doesn't anyone complain about them?

all I hear is oh Mexicans think that they are in Mexico... they only speak Spanish... of course they gonna speak Spanish you dumb fucks... you learned English because you went to school, because you had someone foreign to talk to. these people work like animals and don't have the money or time to go to English courses, or have the nerves to start a convo with Americans.
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all I hear is oh Mexicans think that they are in Mexico... they only speak Spanish... of course they gonna speak Spanish you dumb fucks... you learned English because you went to school, because you had someone foreign to talk to. these people work like animals and don't have the money or time to go to English courses, or have the nerves to start a convo with Americans.
I agree. I work at a pizza place and the cooks (all Mexican) work all day (about 11-12 hours), every day. They rarely have breaks or days off and once they get home, I'm sure all they want to do is sleep. One of the guys has been in the U.S. since he was 13 or 14 and he is now 19. He speaks little English because he has worked ever since he got here and wasn't fortunate enough to attend school like us, Dreamers.

It's very easy for U.S. citizens and even some Dreamers to judge other undocumented immigrants for their lack of knowledge of the English language, but many immigrants don't have the time or the money to attend ESL classes.

I'm taking a Cultural Anthropology class this summer and we discussed making English the official language in the U.S. My professor made an excellent point when she said that we want immigrants to learn English and assimilate but we make fun of them when they try to speak to us because they have an accent/speak slowly/etc. How can they feel comfortable speaking the language when they get made fun of when they, at least, try? We can't have it both ways.
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06-07-2009, 11:18 PM
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Got to the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph when I stopped reading. This guy is only pretending to know what he's talking about.
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06-07-2009, 11:27 PM
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If every illegal/legal immigrant that is here; is white, or European... then trust me; there wouldn't be much of a problem.

I'm white myself, but im sick and tired of people saying "oh these Mexicans think their in Mexico, bumping Spanish music and wearing their flags in the car"...

and im like "what about the Arabs in this country that in NY every store is in Arabic writing, what about the Arabic women not assimilating into how American women dress... what about the Italians and the Irish that proudly stick the Irish and Italian flags in their cars... what about the Jewish community who have their own police, their own schools, their own hospitals, what about them, why doesn't anyone have a problem with them assimilating?... or the fact that they have the most bizarre way they dress... why doesn't anyone complain about them?

all I hear is oh Mexicans think that they are in Mexico... they only speak Spanish... of course they gonna speak Spanish you dumb fucks... you learned English because you went to school, because you had someone foreign to talk to. these people work like animals and don't have the money or time to go to English courses, or have the nerves to start a convo with Americans.
I am in no way defending the anti-immigrant individuals, but some of these questions aren't too hard to answer.

1. The reason why some people don't "seem" to have problems with Jews/Europeans/etc is, because they aren't being "forced" to learn their language/culture/etc. There isn't a large population of recent European immigrants in this country. I would also say the majority of the "non south of the border immigrants" can probably speak English relatively well, so people probably assume that they have at least made some sort of effort to assimilate. On the other hand, there is a segment of the illegal and even legal community of immigrants from south of the border, who can't speak English well. When people see this, along the fact that a lot of services have Spanish speaking options, or in rare cases services for Spanish speaking only, then they become angered by it. They think, "Shouldn't you at least try to learn the language?" "Why am I being 'forced' to learn their language."

It comes down to what the article was talking about. Nowadays, it is pretty rare, if not impossible, for someone to come into the US legally on a visa who can't speak English, unless they have family or business ties. So, it is a little more difficult for people to see them as "inferior." Sadly, the same can't be said for some of the people who crossed the border. Is that the right mindset to have? I don't know. In my opinion, no matter what country you come from, if you are going to move to another country to live there, the least you can do is try to assimilate into that country.

One last point on this topic. If some immigrants tried to do some of the things they do in this country in other countries, like march carrying another countries flag, there would probably be outrage from the community, and they would probably be persecuted.

2. There is quite a bit of racism against Arab Americans. Maybe things have died down a little, but from some stories I heard, they probably have it the worst in the US.

3. There is an interesting quote. "If everyone woke up the next day and we were all the same color, humans would still find a way to discriminate between others." Trust me, there is even "racism" against people from Europe. Of course, extremely small, but it does happen. I just want to add, I'm from England.

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Also, about the music. I have no problem with Spanish music. I do have a problem with any music blasting out of a person's house or car. I do not want to know what you listen to. I'm guessing this is the same for others.
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is English even the official US language because I have heard that the US has no official language ??
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is English even the official US language because I have heard that the US has no official language ??
The US does not have an official language.
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those businesses that have Spanish speaking options is because they live in an immigrant community that they know is dominated by Spanish speakers. Those businesses are owned by legal Latino immigrants. so, they can put up w/e lettering they want. when it comes down to that... is either everyone puts only English, or they all put w/e they like.

Assimilating to one country means learning the language and speaking it... having American values, having a nice BBQ, and parading on July 4th. its a bit harder for the undocumented here; to learn the language the right way; but they try. they live under constant fear... im sure some of them have more potential than to wash plates.

many people that come with visas, weather its family unification, lottery, asylum seekers... they all speak no English. people can't pick of them because they came legally. no1 is stupid enough to express what they really feel; out in the open.

the U.S was funded on immigrants, that's the only reason you can go flying your flags here. When the first Italians arrived, they didn't want them because they were considered non-white. they weren't so easy-going with assimilating. this whole xenophobia has been going on since forever.

I understand that these people broke the law... and its not good.

but anyways... w/e music sum1 blasts on their car, has nun to do with immigrants... just a choice.
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