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06-08-2009, 02:11 AM
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Tell that to the IMF, or the World Bank or the United Nations who categorize countries based on GDP and other socioeconomic factors every year.

I don't think Mexico is considered an industrialized nation yet, but it's probably considered a NIC - certainly not a developing nation.
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06-08-2009, 02:15 AM
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Yep, its considered a NIC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newly_i...alized_country
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06-08-2009, 04:20 AM
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Arguing on the Internet is like the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded!
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06-08-2009, 08:23 AM
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Yes, mexico is was a third world country, but not for the reason he believes... so he is still wrong.

The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd world country model is outdated.
give up and now we're gonna debate on the semantics of economic categorization of mexico? rofl.

but yes, the term third world country is outdated and shouldnt be used
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06-08-2009, 08:27 AM
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Tell that to the IMF, or the World Bank or the United Nations who categorize countries based on GDP and other socioeconomic factors every year.

I don't think Mexico is considered an industrialized nation yet, but it's probably considered a NIC - certainly not a developing nation.
it certainly is a developing nation as opposed to developed nation such as the US, albeit some controversy over the usage of the term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country
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06-08-2009, 09:48 AM
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Yep, its considered a NIC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newly_i...alized_country
yeah, mexico is now shoulder to shoulder with malaysia, indonesia, and south africa. bravo, mexico has come a long way.
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06-08-2009, 10:31 AM
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wrong about what? point still stands border is still not secure enough for most people.
You answered your own question there.
For it to be "most people" it would need to be a majority of the population which it is not. Maybe "most people" on Fox News but not "most people" in America.

So you are wrong.


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i never said we should only deal with 60% of the problem. what i said was we need to deal with it and focus on it because it is the highest source of illegal immigration. its common sense. yes we need to address visa overstays as well. that doesnt take away from the fact that border security needs to be improved immensely. understood?
border security may need to be improved immensely, but not before CIR can be considered (or how you put it "before we address the illegal population").

So you are wrong.


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you seem to have short term memory. i specifically said mexico has higher number of illegal immigrants coming in (7 million) compared to india (300,000) and thus more focus should be on border security. and then you followed that up with preposterous comparison of violent crimes to overstaying visa and traffic violations to crossing the border illegally which has no relevance to the fact that mexico has higher number of illegal immigrants. my way of thinking is based on pure numbers: focus on border security more because more illegal immigrants are coming in through the border. you shifted from that and started talkin about the severity of either types of actions for god knows why. so you completely strayed off from the topic and started another brand new argument. got it? no comprendo?
The analogy of violent crime versus speeding tickets was to demonstrate how "focusing on the biggest number" is not always the most effective strategy.

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"No Comprendo?" oh man your racist comment really hurt me there "rofl"


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again you are straying off topic. we're not talking about the criminal act itself. what are you trying to argue? point still stands significantly more people are entering this country illegally through the border without inspection and the border needs to be addressed before CIR.

sorry, you need more then one person to qualify to use the word "people". you take one quote from one politician and take that as gospel. ok, i cant help with that.

He said that in an interview after a Border Security hearing where people who actually know what they are talking about when it comes to the border discussed the state of border security... people like hmm... Customs and Border Protection officials. Even it was only Schumer his opinion compared to whose? yours? that's a no brainer (no pun intended).


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when did i say mexican border is the only problem?
You said the mexican border is the only problem we should deal with here...
http://dreamact.info/forum/showpost....03&postcount=2

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oh im sorry my "rofl" hurt your feelings. i just find your confusion amusing.
Please, do not flatter yourself.


On second thought, I'll allow you the opportunity to indulge, at this point I could only pity what unimaginable measures you would surmount to in a sift of the slightest trickle of hope.
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yeah, mexico is now shoulder to shoulder with malaysia, indonesia, and south africa. bravo, mexico has come a long way.
As a person living as an undocumented immigrant in the United States you have little room to talk.

I hate to break it to you, top-shot, but you have little if anything to do with the success America has achieved.
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06-08-2009, 11:41 AM
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why dont you two guys go get some coffee and meet in real life so you can have a long discussion.

this forum isnt for that kind of stuff. i dont see how its helping DREAM get passed. just give it up. no one wins, and if you do, who cares its just the internet. some people have a hard time understanding that the internet is not real life.

move on.
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06-08-2009, 04:24 PM
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You answered your own question there.
For it to be "most people" it would need to be a majority of the population which it is not. Maybe "most people" on Fox News but not "most people" in America.

So you are wrong.
obviously you have hard time interpreting sentences. ok, nm. as for your assumption that most americans believe that the border is secure enough, im sorry to break it to you, but thats purely your opinion derived from schumer's quote.

10 months ago, only 14% of americans thought that the government is doing enough to secure the border.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...alizing_aliens

granted, obama has spent more money and man power near the border since, but i have to wonder how much of that percentage has gone up. sorry, i have a baseline figure from less than a year ago to back up my claim, and you dont. nice try though.


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border security may need to be improved immensely, but not before CIR can be considered (or how you put it "before we address the illegal population").

So you are wrong.
rofl, your level of knowledge in this matter continues to disappoint me. actually, everyone with a slightest clue know that border security comes first before CIR, both democrats and republicans. they wont address CIR unless they address border security first. even president obama puts border security first before any immigration reform. this is all basic stuff.




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The analogy of violent crime versus speeding tickets was to demonstrate how "focusing on the biggest number" is not always the most effective strategy.

just to let you know, analogy works by comparing 2 similar school of thoughts, not comparing apples to oranges like you have done lol. im comparing pure numbers while you are comparing the severity of either two with that analogy. i know its hard for you but think about it.

i think most people would agree with me that since majority of illegal population is from mexico and the most illegal immigration is occuring through the souther border, we should focus on that. it doesnt solve all the problem, but it sure solves good portion of it. but hey! since you are so adamant about this, so whats your take on "the most effective strategy"? care to explain? you'll probably say " i dont wanna waste time with you" and cop out. rofl.

fact of the matter is, congress and the president already see border enforcement as priority over CIR. dont believe me? google it. its so easy a caveman can do it. rofl.


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"No Comprendo?" oh man your racist comment really hurt me there "rofl"
your constant failed attempt to correct me and ridicule me is really becoming pathetic. racist? im a racist because i used spanish? i learned 4 years of spanish in high school and college. rofl. que burro!





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He said that in an interview after a Border Security hearing where people who actually know what they are talking about when it comes to the border discussed the state of border security... people like hmm... Customs and Border Protection officials. Even it was only Schumer his opinion compared to whose? yours? that's a no brainer (no pun intended).
Schumer said that the number of people captured along the border with mexico between Oct. 1 and May 15 was down 27% from the same period the previous year. if 100 people crossed before and only 73 are now crossing, thats called improvement, not secure. this is sort of the argument that people will talk about. you have to start seeing things from both side of the aisle instead of sticking your head in the sand and filter out what you dont want to hear. its called, ironically, using your brain as you have so eloquently put by processing information in your own head and coming to your own conclusion instead of relying on others to spoonfeed you what the results mean. rofl.




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You said the mexican border is the only problem we should deal with here...
http://dreamact.info/forum/showpost....03&postcount=2
now i know you have reading comprehension problems as well. where in that post does it imply that i said mexican border is the only problem we should deal with? if i say "i love my mother" you interpret that as i only love my mother but not my father? again, stay in school.



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Please, do not flatter yourself.
i dont have to flatter myself having this debate with you its pretty funny how you twist and squirm with every attempt to say something remotely worthwhile to be a comeback.


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On second thought, I'll allow you the opportunity to indulge, at this point I could only pity what unimaginable measures you would surmount to in a sift of the slightest trickle of hope.
ROFL....what?
in a sift of the slightest trickle of hope? huh? what? are you actually trying to sound articulate? dude, if you are gonna say something, at least try to make sense. use the dictionary. ask your friend. something. que raro!
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