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Immigration Reform Expected Soon in Congress

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11-30-2009, 12:10 PM
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That's according to this article anyway.
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After the White House signaled its willingness to tackle the controversial immigration issue in 2010, Democrats in the House are willing to push comprehensive immigration reform legislation and believe they can pass it without bipartisan support. The effort is led by Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL), who heads the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Immigration Task Force.

In 2007, Gutierrez and Rep. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) co-sponsored bipartisan immigration reform legislation that failed to pass. Current discussions however have not included Republican members. Gutierrez plans to introduce his bill on December 15 and is reportedly aiming for 100 co-sponsors.

In the Senate, however, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) is working with Senate Republicans to craft a moderate bill that is expected in January. CHC leaders said the Senate is likely to kick off formal debate on the issue with Schumer's bill, due out in January.
On the co-sponsor count for the Gutierrez bill,Dream act already has ~100 co-sponsors......
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11-30-2009, 04:03 PM
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I don't want to get ahead myself or anything. But if this adminstration is able to pass health care, energy, and immigration reform in the first 2 years of his first term, then he will probably be well regarded in future history books.

He hasn't yet, but it isn't a longshot by any means.

To be more serious, I expect the US House to pass an immigration bill before the US senate.
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I don't want to get ahead myself or anything. But if this adminstration is able to pass health care, energy, and immigration reform in the first 2 years of his first term, then he will probably be well regarded in future history books.

He hasn't yet, but it isn't a longshot by any means.

To be more serious, I expect the US House to pass an immigration bill before the US senate.
That's not going to happen IMO, remember the energy bill that passed the house and never got anywhere in the senate? Since 2006,Pelosi has waited for the senate to pass an immigration bill first so i don't see how that's going to change in the future( especially in an election year).
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lilbawler is right. Back in the day, they would not touch the subject of Immigration unless the Senate passed the bill. However, there were comments about how the House would have no problem passing the bill if the Senate did so first.

Let's do this, Senate.
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That's not going to happen IMO, remember the energy bill that passed the house and never got anywhere in the senate? Since 2006,Pelosi has waited for the senate to pass an immigration bill first so i don't see how that's going to change in the future( especially in an election year).
Yes, I know Pelosi has said that, but I think if the House passed a bill when a senate compromise bill has been crafted, there would be more momentum to pass a bill in the Senate. This is just an opinion of mine, but I can understand that Pelosi wants to protect her members from possibly taking an unnecassary vote. Looking at 1986 bill, where the senate passed it first, I guess she has decided to follow that path.

But, I don't think the climate bill in the senate is dead. It definitely wont pass before Pres. Obama goes to Copenhagan, but there has recently been a bipartisan compromises that makes me believe the it will eventually pass it after health care is finished.
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I personally think it is bad timing while the economy is what it is now. It is going to be an uphill battle to convince conservative America that adding more people to its' workforce will benefit them. I wish they can see it how we view it but knowing how they think, it would be difficult. Keep our fingers crossed.
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It's like pushing a boulder up a hill.
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I personally think it is bad timing while the economy is what it is now. It is going to be an uphill battle to convince conservative America that adding more people to its' workforce will benefit them.
Who said we need to convince conservative America? In order for the bill to pass we only need 60 votes. That's it. Fuck conservatives and their regressive "views". All we need is to convince a few moderates. No biggie.

And undocumented immigrants already have jobs, thank you very much, so the whole "adding people to the workforce" is bullshit. What do they think we're doing? Sitting at home flicking our nipples?
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What do they think we're doing? Sitting at home flicking our nipples?
For a second there, I thought I was the only one.. thanks Angeleno, it's nice to see other people enjoying the same hobbies.. .
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I think we should hope for a couple of things:

1- that the bill is as simple as possible. The longer and more complicated it is the more ground the antis can cling onto. It also takes longer to discuss, harder to digest and reconcile, risk of it not going anywhere.

2- that the bill doesn't come with any 'do or die' provisions like in the past. Basically most of us have been screwed in the past because of the bills being so broad and idealistic that nothing got passed. We may not LOVE all the requirements but learning English is probably easier than being deported if you ask me. Pretty much everything is better than going to a detention center.

3- that they DO get some bipartisan support. The 'Democratic' majority is bullshit because some of the biggest opponents of CIR are conservative Dems and not moderate Reps. Collins and Tester are in different parties - look where they stand. If they alienate Reps in the House they will lose support in the Senate. This has failed before exactly like that.

4- that the focus is on passage and not provisions. Nobody here can wait two years for a more refined version of the bill and its easier to iron out legislative issues through executive policy than sink a whole bill because the water wasn't the perfect temperature.

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As I know the House this bill will likely be ridiculous and unacceptable to the Senate but I REALLY wholeheartedly hope that isn't the case. I don't see the Dems having the balls or wits to introduce a compromise bill so it's more likely they will introduce it stillborn. I would rather see a Schumer bill first and my only hope is that this isn't Gutierrez's re-election baby.
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