Obama to (mis) lead again on immigration reform?

lilbawler2001 · 05:53 AM

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President Obama has a major speech on immigration reform planned for tomorrow.

I won't be tuning in.

The script is already set in stone -- if only those pesky Republicans would get on side on a comprehensive bill then we could all get along.

There's a better likelihood of a man landing on Mars by the end of the year.

Obama knows it and so does everyone who has trooped through the White House

But they too, need to face facts folks. in the past few days, including the Hispanic Caucus who have remained remarkably civil despite broken promises to them.

Comprehensive reform does not have a snowball's chance in hell.

The political temperature is too high, the advocates too angry. Any effort will end in failure.

What does have a chance is passage of individual aspects of an immigration bill.

A massive comprehensive effort has too many pitfalls.

Taking issues such as the Dream Act, which would allow children brought to the U.S, at an early age to legalize their status, is a piece of legislation that even the most cold-hearted Republican should be loathe to deny.

Working with business and agricultural groups to create a proper method of bringing needed labor in at fair prices could also be agreed by both sides.

A system of allowing top level brains from other countries to come and work here would benefit all Americans.

All those kinds of provisions are eminently passable.

Sometimes I fear that advocates are as firmly rooted in the quagmire of comprehensive reform as enemies of reform are.

Everyone needs to take a step back.

Obama should tell the American people that.

Each step towards reform can be matched by one on enforcement.( Right now it's all enforcement and no reform).

Then gradually the issue of illegals can be dealt with.

But there will be no big bang, no bill that can be whisked through the legislatures.

We tried that in much more favorable times with Kennedy/McCain

It is time we all came clean including the president and followed a path of gradual change rather than a big bang which has become a big fizzle.

Does anyone have the courage to tell all the interest groups that?

I hope Obama does but I'm not holding my breath.

http://www.irishcentral.com/story/ne...-97498894.html

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Sometimes I fear that advocates are as firmly rooted in the quagmire of comprehensive reform as enemies of reform are.

This is exactly what the congressional Hispanic caucus and ri4a are doing.

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Even with the White House boost this week, U.S. Rep. Charlie Gonzalez is probably right that the political opportunity for comprehensive immigration reform could go astray if lawmakers cater to special immigrant interests. The insight will fall hardest on the shoulders of young people and others who want to see lawmakers consider the DREAM Act separately from comprehensive immigration reform. President Barack Obama is due to deliver a speech today at the American University School of International Service in Washington, D.C., addressing the “need to fix our broken immigration system.” On Monday, he met with reform advocates and union leaders, according to the Huffington Post, and Tuesday with members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus to discuss a strategy for going forward on the issue this year.

Gonzalez argues the piecemeal approach is not a real answer because it would leave millions of immigrants living in the shadows. That's a hard pill to swallow. ( They rather have all 12 million immigrants living in the shadows right?)

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/pol..._97543889.html

starsNmoons · 07-01-2010, 04:00 PM

Thanks for that. I agree. And I have been saying all along, DREAM now. CIR later!!!!

daretodream · 07-01-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by starsNmoons

Thanks for that. I agree. And I have been saying all along, DREAM now. CIR later!!!!

I don't know about that..it's a bit selfish. I mean, what about the people who aren't going to school or serving in the military like...oh i don't know... our parents?

Invictus · 07-01-2010, 04:53 PM

Something is better than nothing. If the DREAM Act will pass but CIR won't, let's pass DREAM.

starsNmoons · 07-01-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by daretodream

I don't know about that..it's a bit selfish. I mean, what about the people who aren't going to school or serving in the military like...oh i don't know... our parents?

I love my parents and they love me. And yes, I want the CIR to pass too, of course. But lets be honest, the DREAM stands a better chance of passing than the CIR. So lets get that done then we'll worry about the CIR. It can actually pave the way for the CIR. My parents are more worried about me getting papers than they are about themselves.

eddy · 07-02-2010, 12:00 AM

You guys are beneficiaries of the Dream Act, of course you're going to think it's more important. But you can't prove it.

SomeGuy_ · 07-02-2010, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by daretodream

I don't know about that..it's a bit selfish. I mean, what about the people who aren't going to school or serving in the military like...oh i don't know... our parents?

Dream first!
Dreamers will most benefit this country.
In many cases Dreamers are indistinguishable from natural born citizens. They know the language and culture perfectly. For example, I've been (and many others) here for twenty years since I was 3 years old.

Also, the parents will benefit from their childrens legal status.

stillaround · 07-02-2010, 04:10 AM

I think the whole reason why they don't want to separate the issues is because CIR doesn't stand a chance in hell without the DREAM ACT being included...
The dream act only has a 70% chance of approval right?
So would it be right to say the chances of CIR are less than hopeful?
My mom says that she wants the DREAM ACT to pass so that my siblings and I can have better opportunities, but I know that deep down she wants the same thing for herself.
Truthfully, I believe this is more her dream than mine... God bless her nagging soul

OrlandoDREAM Act · 07-04-2010, 09:49 PM

in 2007 the advocates said no to the bill partly because it seven years later a guest worker program was going to end.

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