• Home
  • Today
  • Advocacy
  • Forum
Donate
  • login
  • register
Home

They need you!

Forum links

  • Recent changes
  • Member list
  • Search
  • Register
Search Forums
 
Advanced Search
Go to Page...

Resources

  • Do I qualify?
  • In-state tuition
  • FAQ
  • Ways to legalize
  • Feedback
  • Contact us

Join our list

National calendar of events

«  

August

  »
S M T W T F S
 
 
 
 
 
1
 
2
 
3
 
4
 
5
 
6
 
7
 
8
 
9
 
10
 
11
 
12
 
13
 
14
 
15
 
16
 
17
 
18
 
19
 
20
 
21
 
22
 
23
 
24
 
25
 
26
 
27
 
28
 
29
 
30
 
31
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Sync with this calendar
DAP Forums > DREAM Act > The News Room

Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA - Page 3

  • View
  • Post new reply
  • Thread tools
  • ‹ previous
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
#21
12-04-2010, 12:52 PM
Senior Member
From Georgia
Joined in Nov 2009
422 posts
Jelly Bean Lover's Avatar
Jelly Bean Lover
120 AP
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcraig View Post
Politically speaking the Republicans are the only ones that have done anything towards immigration reform. Reagan, McCain. Reagan legalized immigrants and McCain bill was the closest you have come to getting something done he even had the agreement of GWB to sign the legislation. Factually speaking your are completely incorrect. Republican freed slaves, passed Civil rights bill on and on and on . And some how partisans think the democrats have been the ones to something for them. When you are sold a bad bill of goods for your vote like Gutierrez,Obama, Reid , Durbin do realize you are getting screwed and ask for your vote back.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali View Post
Since the 60's? They passed the '86 amnesty...in 'o7 bush pushed for dream.... they're currently pushing for Agjobs, and if I'm not mistaken STEM is their bill?
Yes, since the 1960s they have deliberately tried to win votes in the South among whites by stoking latent racism. Bush may have pushed DREAM, but where is Republican support now? I know Republicans claim to support Agjobs, but it will go nowhere like the DREAM Act as soon as the racist phalanx within the Republican party start shouting about amnesty. The biggest opponent now of DREAM is Jeff Sessions, a KKK sympathizer and the living incarnation of the devil. ALIPAC is bragging that if they win on DREAM now, immigration reform will be dead for five or ten years.

Passing an amnesty in 1986, or having pushed for immigration reform in 2006/2007 means nothing right now, because Republicans deliberately stoke fear of Mexicans to win votes, as I mentioned in my original post. Come down to Georgia during the next election if you want to see that process play out. The campaign to win over the lowest common denominator, and they are successful.

Even Bush is guilty in this case: he deliberately sabotaged McCain's primary campaign in 2000 in the South, by making it sound as though McCain had produced an illegitimate child with a Black woman. I would call that pandering to racism in the South after the 1960s, but that is just me.
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
Jelly Bean Lover
View Public Profile
Send a private message to Jelly Bean Lover
Find all posts by Jelly Bean Lover
#22
12-04-2010, 03:44 PM
Senior Member
From Oklahoma
Joined in Jul 2007
678 posts
IDim's Avatar
IDim
0 AP
Why won't you learn that this isn't your daddy's GOP? The GOP is slowly moving further to the right every election, the Teabaggers have them by their balls.
__________________

Their green grass is green. Our green grass is brown.

You can cut all the flowers but you cannot keep spring from coming.
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
IDim
View Public Profile
Send a private message to IDim
Find all posts by IDim
#23
12-04-2010, 04:03 PM
Senior Member
Joined in Aug 2010
728 posts
hgr1915
0 AP
Quote:
Originally Posted by IDim View Post
Why won't you learn that this isn't your daddy's GOP? The GOP is slowly moving further to the right every election, the Teabaggers have them by their balls.
Man if The dems had balls DA would've passed when they had 60.

The GOP and DEMS both suck.
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
hgr1915
View Public Profile
Send a private message to hgr1915
Find all posts by hgr1915
#24
12-04-2010, 04:17 PM
Senior Member
Joined in Apr 2009
2,582 posts
Ali
0 AP
Quote:
Originally Posted by hgr1915 View Post
Man if The dems had balls DA would've passed when they had 60.

The GOP and DEMS both suck.
And that my friends is the unbiased truth.
__________________
♠♣IllegalBrahs Crew♠♣
''I'm developing a social network where people call each other on the phone & then see each other in person. ~~ Chris Rock''
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
Ali
View Public Profile
Send a private message to Ali
Find all posts by Ali
#25
12-04-2010, 04:27 PM
Senior Member
Joined in May 2009
1,932 posts
Feenmi's Avatar
Feenmi
290 AP
Quote:
Originally Posted by hgr1915 View Post
Man if The dems had balls DA would've passed when they had 60.

The GOP and DEMS both suck.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali View Post
And that my friends is the unbiased truth.
+1 on that.
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
Feenmi
View Public Profile
Send a private message to Feenmi
Find all posts by Feenmi
#26
12-04-2010, 05:59 PM
Senior Member
From Georgia
Joined in Nov 2009
422 posts
Jelly Bean Lover's Avatar
Jelly Bean Lover
120 AP
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcraig View Post
Reagan made all illegal immigrants American citizens (4 million) in 1986 that is why people are against any reforms now because what happened was mass of illegals came across the border thinking the would do it again. John Mccain had the president making calls to get immigration reform passed and they had the votes at one point. You should be asking what have Democrats done for your cause. I will tell you exactly what they have done they have lied to you about everything under the sun and got you to vote for them now all the do is go through motions knowing reform is impossible for any foreseeable future. Here is a good story on it
www.miaminewtimes.com
That's a little exaggerated, don't you think? Reagan's amnesty did not grant anybody immediate citizenship--far from it, anybody who got papers under that measure gained residency.

I don't doubt that the Democrats have a lackluster record on immigration reform; I and many others here have complained of their lack of action repeatedly. I also think that Obama's record-setting deportation numbers are troubling. But much of the bad--like the mass deportations--stem from Democrats' stupid attempts to conciliate the Republicans and meet them half way on fairy-tale criticisms like "securing the border" and other harsh measures that the Republican base likes immensely.

But if you are really concerned about advocacy to get the DREAM Act passed--and I am sure you are, and that you are not a troll, right?--then you would have to conclude that Republicans are not friends of the people on this portal. I would be the first to welcome any Republican support to pass DREAM or any other version of immigration reform, short of an enforcement-only approach. But if Republicans are really our friends, then where have they been since 2007? And explain to me how McCain--of all people!--is our friend when he himself exploited the xenophobia of this country right now to win reelection (going so far as to support Jan Brewer, who might as well just run for Grand Wizard during the next election and dispense with all the pretenses).

Like I said in my original post, what happened before 2007 doesn't matter to the politics of getting immigration reform passed now. And despite their many flaws, the Democrats are clearly lesser of two evils on immigration reform.
Last edited by Jelly Bean Lover; 12-04-2010 at 06:00 PM.. Reason: typos
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
Jelly Bean Lover
View Public Profile
Send a private message to Jelly Bean Lover
Find all posts by Jelly Bean Lover
  • ‹ previous
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3


« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page

Contact Us - DREAM Act Portal - Archive - Top
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.