Upcoming Rubio bill: what type of visa process would we support? - Page 3

Any Visa that gives the Dreamers authorization to work obtain a Driver's License.

1 year Visa, renewable every year until GC.

$10,000 fine lump sum or monthly payments with high interest.

A 10 year Visa that leads to a GC after 10 years and the very back of the line to obtain Citizenship.

No college/university help for fees.

No gov't help of any kind.

No misdemeanors/felony's ever.

Must register with SSS.

Came here before 16 and no later then age 30; Retroactive Provisions : Must have obtained a 4 year degree if 30 or over.

Must payback back taxes if any.

Limited amount of travelling until GC holder.

Join the military as an option if a Dreamers does not complete a 4 year degree.

During the 10 year Visa duration (No misdemeanors/Felony's, Must compete a 4 year degree if not already, Must join the Military and finish, must pay back taxes if any, No gov't help of any kind, Limited amount of travelling until GC holder); failure to comply with any of the above requirements will lead to final removal proceedings with no waivers and a lifetime ban for any kind of Visa in the future.

What about Retroactive benefits if have a 4 year degree over 29?

Unless there a clause that would prevent you from obtaining a USC/PR after marriage in the Dream Act.

The ban would be lifted since a Dreamer would have legal status. Since you said it would be renewable then is the Dreamer's responsibility to renew.

Ugh, politics is a bargaining process. Setting the bar low from the very beginning is a very bad idea because it would signal to Rubio and the Republicans that they can create a Jim Crow sort of law for Dreamers and get away with it. DA User, you really remind me of a battered wife sometimes, always blaming yourself. You know if you make the demands this rigid on all those other issues, they will not include a provision for people over 30 and you will be out.

I signed the petition Smooth drew up, but I want it known that I don't support or sign onto any list of acceptable conditions that would be spelled out so clearly and start from such a low bargaining point.

You would not go into a car dealership and tell the seller the highest price you would pay on your first offer. Either you would end up paying that price, or, more likely, you would have to pay more to leave with the car. Why agree to more in the beginning? This is exactly what is wrong with immigration law and why it is so screwed up. The Republicans complain and become more extreme and pull everything to the right by banking that they can get supposed supporters of the immigrant community to move with them. Why do you think we have a ten-year ban, or that people now talk about self deportation like it is a rational policy, or why the media calls the undocumented "illegal"? It is because of continual caving to the right. This is the root of all evils in legal and illegal immigration policy.

Set the bar higher and offer only a few unquestionable demands: e.g., we would never support this bill if it barred us from citizenship forever; we would never support this bill if there was not an education provision; we would never support this bill if it does not provide us a way to work legally while we are in the country and allow us to stay and work and live normal lives after obtaining a degree. And leave off the rest of that crap, becuase we don't need to give the far right any help or ideas to treat Dreamers worse than they already are under the law.

10,000 fine?? that makes me feel like a criminal. Only terrorists can afford to pay that fine.

Also, no misdemeanors? You do realize some of us have been caught driving without a license???

First of all I want to be a cop so I know a thing or two about the law and no misdemeanors are very harsh. We might as well not drive then if that is part of the deal. I understand no felonies because if you plan to be a criminal than you don't deserve to be here, but we should treat misdemeanors like they are if we obtain a ticket we will pay the fine and/or do the community service.

The bar was higher back in 2001 higher though. What would you change with what I posted?

The keyword is 'feel' when everyone knows Dreamers are not criminals.

If a Dreamer has been caught driving without a license then I believe you pay a fine and case is closed and also you can get a DL from others states.

Also, you can pay monthly. This should not be a problem.

No fines, not 1,000 or 10,000 dollars, or anything.
No language on age, even though I am personally okay with 16/30 and retroactive provisions for people with degrees.
No language on travel restrictions, though I would be fine with the restrictions they have for green-card holders.
No language about prior record, especially about misdemeanors (for the reasons mentioned previously in this thread). Personally I would be okay with language that says you have to keep out of trouble when you are given status, but I don't like punishing people for crimes they have already made good on, especially if they are minor crimes that probably resulted from being here illegally.
No language on taxes, even though I would not object to having somebody pay back taxes if they skipped out on them.

I would be okay with a provision for graduation in 6 years, assuming you could work to support yourself through school. Then again, I would not mention that as a possible bargaining point.

Well, this is all just a personal opinion, and like I said I would keep it as vague as possible, so I would not be specific even as those things I don't object to on your list.