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#1
07-05-2012, 10:32 PM
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A bit silly I'm sure, given that most of us here are presumably DREAMers, but where do you stand on immigration?

How I see it, as long as a person isn't a violent criminal or a public health menace, you should be able to move anywhere you want.

That is, assuming you have the money to rent or buy a house, get a job, etc. etc. I personally wished I could move to Hawaii, but damn it if housing isn't too expensive! Maybe one day.

I make the exception for violent criminals because they should presumably be in jail or otherwise being punished. By public health hazards I mean the theoretical person that might have a horrible disease that will turn anyone who interacts with them into a flesh eating zombie*.

Otherwise though come by all means.

What about the rest of you? Should immigrants have a certain skill set? Should they know English? Or are you in support of a completely open door, zombies and humans alike?

*In seriousness I mean someone who might bring with them a major disease that could easily spread. e.g. Typhoid Mary
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07-05-2012, 10:41 PM
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I do think a country needs laws and must protect them hence, protecting their citizens. The issue with America is that the immigration process has TOO many gray areas and needs to be updated!!! Once that is done, I think it will solve many of our problems such as people being able to switch to visas easily etc.

I work at a retail place and sometimes when Hispanic customers walk in - they expect you to know Spanish and get quiet upset when you tell them you don't speak anything but English. I have witnessed this happen at several occasions even outside of work. I think if you come to a foreign land, you MUST learn their language and their culture. There is no second thoughts about it. We shouldn't have to press 1 for English and 2 more spanish! I can sometimes understand why "Americans" (regular white folks) get upset sometimes.
P.S. - I am South Asian.
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07-05-2012, 11:01 PM
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I do think a country needs laws and must protect them hence, protecting their citizens. The issue with America is that the immigration process has TOO many gray areas and needs to be updated!!! Once that is done, I think it will solve many of our problems such as people being able to switch to visas easily etc.

I work at a retail place and sometimes when Hispanic customers walk in - they expect you to know Spanish and get quiet upset when you tell them you don't speak anything but English. I have witnessed this happen at several occasions even outside of work. I think if you come to a foreign land, you MUST learn their language and their culture. There is no second thoughts about it. We shouldn't have to press 1 for English and 2 more spanish! I can sometimes understand why "Americans" (regular white folks) get upset sometimes.
P.S. - I am South Asian.
I think if immigration in this side of the continent could turn into something like Europe, would be great. I do believe however that people need skills to be able to immigrate to highly demanded places.

I do not agree with English being the only language. Yes, everyone should learn it, but this place would be much culturally richer if people learned at least the major languages. I notice this at work where Serbians predominate, as I get involved in their conversations, i learn a great deal about their culture and customs. Then they start speaking english and that whole sensation is lost.
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07-05-2012, 11:55 PM
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On immigration,I have to say the best word I can come up with is conflicted concerning quite a few of the niche sub-topics.INA law conflicts on so many levels it is stunning that it is still actually being enforced and not completely revamped to meet the standards of today instead of Congressional patch after another.

I do agree with the view :

1.that English should be a requirement before coming to the US on a permanent or long term basis.

2.Congress needs to get its act together to clarify quite a few of the laws instead of having the courts burdened.Craft the immigration system so that it not only benefits the country but the immigrant as well!

3.Republicans and immigration don't mix and make for very bad policy however implemented.

4.The system should be revamped to keep a lot of those with high skills by making visa numbers in skilled categories exempt from the Immigration quotas.

5.ICE and CBP are necessary!

6.I support stipulations to redefine birthright citizenship.[There are still quite a few people I have actually seen do this still]

7.Calling someone an "Illegal Alien" should have the same punishment as if someone without paperwork saying they were a US citizen!

8.U visas should not require certifications by law enforcement

9.Lawyers should be required to become apart of AILA if they want to practice immigration AND the requirements should be more stringent to join.

10.In times of deadlock in the Congress,The immigration system would be decided by a Bi-partisan panel without requiring a vote.Legalization to permanent residency is mandatory at the 14 year mark for both legal and illegal immigrants as long as they meet the Character requirements.

There is a lot more but I'll leave it at this....
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07-06-2012, 12:23 AM
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On immigration,I have to say the best word I can come up with is conflicted concerning quite a few of the niche sub-topics.INA law conflicts on so many levels it is stunning that it is still actually being enforced and not completely revamped to meet the standards of today instead of Congressional patch after another.

I do agree with the view :

1.that English should be a requirement before coming to the US on a permanent or long term basis.

2.Congress needs to get its act together to clarify quite a few of the laws instead of having the courts burdened.Craft the immigration system so that it not only benefits the country but the immigrant as well!

3.Republicans and immigration don't mix and make for very bad policy however implemented.

4.The system should be revamped to keep a lot of those with high skills by making visa numbers in skilled categories exempt from the Immigration quotas.

5.ICE and CBP are necessary!

6.I support stipulations to redefine birthright citizenship.[There are still quite a few people I have actually seen do this still]

7.Calling someone an "Illegal Alien" should have the same punishment as if someone without paperwork saying they were a US citizen!

8.U visas should not require certifications by law enforcement

9.Lawyers should be required to become apart of AILA if they want to practice immigration AND the requirements should be more stringent to join.

10.In times of deadlock in the Congress,The immigration system would be decided by a Bi-partisan panel without requiring a vote.Legalization to permanent residency is mandatory at the 14 year mark for both legal and illegal immigrants as long as they meet the Character requirements.

There is a lot more but I'll leave it at this....
You should run for congress.
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07-13-2012, 12:13 PM
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I do think a country needs laws and must protect them hence, protecting their citizens. The issue with America is that the immigration process has TOO many gray areas and needs to be updated!!! Once that is done, I think it will solve many of our problems such as people being able to switch to visas easily etc.

I work at a retail place and sometimes when Hispanic customers walk in - they expect you to know Spanish and get quiet upset when you tell them you don't speak anything but English. I have witnessed this happen at several occasions even outside of work. I think if you come to a foreign land, you MUST learn their language and their culture. There is no second thoughts about it. We shouldn't have to press 1 for English and 2 more spanish! I can sometimes understand why "Americans" (regular white folks) get upset sometimes.
P.S. - I am South Asian.
I once worked at a place where I used google translate for day to day operations. I simply had no idea what they were saying to me. They were speaking Korean, Chinese.... and anything in between
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07-13-2012, 02:17 PM
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I think that multiculturalism doesn't really work. If you want to live in another country then you better learn to assimilate to a certain extent. For example, Muslims who insist on wearing Burkas (France banned them just a while ago, good for them) and making Sharia law legal in the West. That kind of shit bothers me. Stay in your country instead, then. Have you seen the shithole that England is becoming? I may be illegal but at least I'm not a leech.

Another thing I don't understand is why people go live in another country but refuse to date/marry people from said country. I once dated a girl from Africa whose parents and family members told her she shouldn't marry outside her nationality. Because of that she never told her parents about me and she eventually broke up with me because she couldn't stand it anymore. Why come to the US, then, if you refuse to assimilate with Americans? In more extreme cases it's not unheard of for parents to kill their daughters for dating outside their religion (you can guess which one).

So yeah, I'm a little bitter from personal experience, but before you call me racist, realize that I was once going to marry an African girl. I have no problem with people of other cultures and races except when they want to make my country into their country. Resistance to change is a sign of low intelligence.

But then again, our forefathers came here themselves and killed off all the Native Americans... so no one's a saint.
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07-13-2012, 03:24 PM
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My stand on immigration is once I'm in, I kick the guy behind out jk
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07-13-2012, 05:26 PM
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Open borders, baby.
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07-13-2012, 05:46 PM
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10.In times of deadlock in the Congress,The immigration system would be decided by a Bi-partisan panel without requiring a vote.Legalization to permanent residency is mandatory at the 14 year mark for both legal and illegal immigrants as long as they meet the Character requirements.
Lol...I agree with the general idea, but why 14 years?
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