Mitt Romney would allow waivers to children of illegal immigrants - Page 5

Listen, immigration is the 3rd rail of politics. Nobody wants to touch it. GWB tried for Comprehensive Immigration reform although that mess was half-hearted (remember the failure of 2007).

Obama and the Democrats had a STRONG majority from 2008 - 2010 and they didn't get it done in 2010 either. Obama could have easily issued an Executive Order after the failure of the Dream Act in 2010, 2011, etc. It wasn't as if people did not talk about this as an option.

Why do it now... in June? Right after Marco Rubio was all talk about the STARS Act? Ironically, only he started talking about immigration right before the elections too. Then of COURSE the Republican party started running their anti-immigration stance back since they didn't want to look like chumps in FL.

Politicians have been playing footsie on immigration issues for years. Decades. IF Democrats and Republicans wanted to do immigration, they could have. There were people on both sides of the aisle willing to do it and compromise.

Politicians make moves only when it is politically expedient in their interest to do so. Otherwise, why ELSE would the Democrats wait until the very last hour to try to pass the Dream Act in the lame duck in 2010????? Like seriously.

Nobody is voting for Mitt Romney because a) we can't vote (lol) b) Republicans are a whole lot worse, obviously.

I just don't think Obama did this out of the goodness of his heart when he's deported the most illegal immigrants ever and had shown NO signs of moving on immigration UNTIL Rubio entered in the picture with the STARS Act.

This is my point of view. Just because I think it was a political move, doesn't mean that I don't want it lol. I don't understand why people think that having this position means you are anti-Democrat or anti-Obama.

I also think it's a damn shame that Romney is spreading the lies about visas. Whatever. Dude is a dummy.

Exactly. I share extremely similar views with liberals but that doesn't mean I will be forever grateful towards President Obama/Democrats like he did it out of the goodness of his heart or something. Yes I'm thankful it happened but I will not give them all the credit or my vote in the future whenever I become eligible to vote just because of that. DACA happened because most likely it was a political move and dreamers have been pressuring for some time now for this to happen.

No Romney, just no. Just lose, and return home.

Actually that's not true. His remarks have been clarified: http://americasvoiceonline.org/blog/...s-of-dreamers/

I keep liking him less and less. He's lucky I'm not eligible to vote.

This is true. Immigration will never, EVER get first priority. History has shown it is only done when it's the least riskiest for the two parties involved.

Refer to this article. They indeed did have a strong majority, but the Senate was always the problem. Blame the so called, "Bluedog" Democrats that are just as bad as Republicans in most ways but they also "stand" up to the President. Many immigration advocates criticize Obama for "easily" passing Healthcare but not the DREAM act, but in reality it was spearheaded solely through the House (DREAM act did pass the House) which is why Immigration advocates can't blame Obama for it but the Bluedog so called, "Democrats."

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the STARS Act was the brainchild of Rep. Rivera and NOT the plans of Rubio which he desperately wanted to be his own "DREAM" act. Though, in a way, they both embody much of the same ideas, but Rubio claimed he wanted temporary status for most of us, and not the limiting STARS or ARMS acts.

I am very confident that Obama had set forth long and arduous deliberations of the whole process we know as DACA right along this year. It's too much of a coincidence that Rubio somehow spurred Obama to come up with something as precise and risky as DACA. My education of Government and politics tell me it's too simple to think that Obama just arbitrarily came up with DACA to "combat" Rubio's schemes. It just doesn't work like that, and I'm sure he deferred to his staff about not only the process of DACA but the severe ramifications of it. You can bet that he went through the legal gaps of how to implement this process as well. It's a bold and risky move no matter how you look at it. I'm not defending his role in the potential of winning the Hispanic vote, no, this was planned a long time, but long before Rubio began his schemes. I agree with your general assessment though, it's pretty accurate that this is how the game of politics work. There may be compassion involved, but often times it's to win. I don't necessarily blame any of them.

I'm just glad that nobody started to explicitly say Obama and Romney are the same and other Libertarian/3rd party hoopla of working with false equivalencies. There's obviously a clear difference especially when it comes to Immigration, that's for sure.

As far as Obama being the best "deporter-in-chief," he did divert resources to find criminal aliens. Yes, some DREAMers were involved in the mess of deportations, but I have yet to see the exact numbers to be remotely horrified by Obama's so called DREAM wrecking actions.

I can not believe people are giving credit for daca to marco rubio's stars act. Folks go online and read about it before coming here to yap yap all day. I am pretty sure with the stars act most of you do not qualify because you need a 4 years college degree...not community college but a 4 years University degree. Do you'll have that? Can you all afford it cash out of your pocket? we are all suffering and Obama did something about it. It might have been politically calculated but at least he did something.

LOL, nobody is crediting DACA BECAUSE of the STARS Act. DACA didn't happen because there was a STARS Act, but political resentment against the Democrats building in the immigration community. The argument is that

a) Marco Rubio and the Republicans were starting to make a whole lot more noise about immigration via the STARS Act when the Democrats were largely silent and showed NO public movements.

b) The Republicans were starting to make the public case against the Democrats being pro-immigration and not doing anything for it, and it was gaining traction.

The record is what it is. I wasn't going to benefit from the STARS Act and I didn't support it. Duh. But please believe that the fact that REPUBLICANS were moving first while the Democrats were stagnant made MANY folks in the immigration community extremely frustrated and unenthusiastic about the Obama administration.

The youth and Latino vote are unenthusiastic about re-electing Obama. Everything that Obama is doing is trying to reclaim that old magic and to get people to come out to vote.

It's not that Latinos are going to vote Republican. But are they going to vote? The minority and youth vote is basically what keeping Obama ahead since Obama/Romney are in a dead heat with white voters. Republicans want the Latino vote to remain disenchanted and stay home.

For the record, Obama would still have had to deal with this even if there wasn't a STARS Act.

You are completely right about the Blue Dogs! Never been a fan, always been a hater of them I agree that it really was their fault However, I am honestly more critical about how President Obama squandered his political capital because I don't think his administration properly planned how to politically move his agenda within his first two years in office.

I'm not even thinking about the DREAM Act, but the whole healthcare debacle. He delegated first to Congress which obviously made it a whole mess that dragged on for a year. Once he stepped forward with his plan a year later, he was able to pass it. I do think that those missteps made it more unlikely for the other parts of his agenda to move forward. He took a hit in the November 2010 midterm elections so Congress wasn't too eager to compromise by that time.

As for the who originated the STARS Act, while I know the origin of the alternative was not through Rubio, it was Rubio who was putting his face on it (of course, he was definitely doing it for political reasons) which is why I primarily associate it with him. Most Americans are more familiar with Rubio than Rep. Rivera due to the national spotlight he has received before.

Hmmm, I'm not too sure about how long and arduous deliberations were to do the Executive Order since there had been online discussions about this type of thing for years. It has always been an open possibility. I remain skeptical about this ONLY because the timing was way too "coincidental."

You could very well be right in that it took much longer to understand the mechanisms of how this was going to work and what the administration would have to do to implement them. I don't know for sure. I'm just speculating at this point.