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DREAMers are pushing their luck - Page 2

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12-19-2012, 01:52 PM
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I read this today while in between job interviews.(Feels good to say that) I agree with him to an extent, but most parts just seem like an attack on DREAMers. A lot of the comments on it were also in disagreement with what he wrote. I know I am not entitled to all the things Citizens are. I mean come on guys we must show these people that we are willing to work for what we want and not just sit in front of a government building demanding that these things be handed out no strings attached. We advocated for an opportunity to stay, work, study, and travel within this nation and we got that. Why should we push our luck and start making demands instead of doing what got us this far and advocating/working for those rights. We can't let a small group of DREAMers who feel entitled ruin the opportunities others worked hard create.
True. I haven't seen dreamers demanding health care benefits, but if they are...they need to be put on check.

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I read this today while in between job interviews.(Feels good to say that) I agree with him to an extent, but most parts just seem like an attack on DREAMers. A lot of the comments on it were also in disagreement with what he wrote. I know I am not entitled to all the things Citizens are. I mean come on guys we must show these people that we are willing to work for what we want and not just sit in front of a government building demanding that these things be handed out no strings attached. We advocated for an opportunity to stay, work, study, and travel within this nation and we got that. Why should we push our luck and start making demands instead of doing what got us this far and advocating/working for those rights. We can't let a small group of DREAMers who feel entitled ruin the opportunities others worked hard create.
I must respecfuly disagree with you. A lot of the things he highlighted in the article aren't privileges but simple basic needs that all immigrants get in this country. Come on last time I checked permanent residents and even conditional permanent residents could apply for financial aid, jobs,medical insurance and had a path to citizenship. Why is it being referred to as entitlements when it applies to dreamers?
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financial aid right now would make a world of a difference, just saying.
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True. I haven't seen dreamers demanding health care benefits, but if they are...they need to be put on check.

We are not and are not looking to be a burden on society.
That's the way the writer should have put it. Most people in this country get insurance 3 ways: through a job, through medicaid/medicare (government voucher) or they take their own money and buy it from a private insurance company. I think when dreamers demand health care coverage it's just that they want a right to either buy it or have it from their jobs, which is the point of the dream act.....being able to work and take care of self. All of this entitlement talks are just ignorant arguments in my opinion.
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I must respecfuly disagree with you. A lot of the things he highlighted in the article aren't privileges but simple basic needs that all immigrants get in this country. Come on last time I checked permanent residents and even conditional permanent residents could apply for financial aid, jobs,medical insurance and had a path to citizenship. Why is it being referred to as entitlements when it applies to dreamers?
No, I agree that those are basic human needs. However, If what he is saying is true, I don't agree with the self entitled way some DREAMers are taking to pursue these needs. There is already a lot of negative forces pushing back on DACA, CIR, and Dream Act. Do we really need to add more fuel to those forces by demanding health care, CIR, international travel, etc. without actually advocating and working for those rights like we do with the DREAM Act? The work we have done with the Dream Act gave birth to DACA and I feel pretty blessed with that. Do I want a long term and permanent solution? Of course, who doesn't. However, demanding that these right be given to us is not the way to go about it. Look at every Civil Rights group throughout our history, how many of those groups got what they needed through demands and entitlement rants?
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That's the way the writer should have put it. Most people in this country get insurance 3 ways: through a job, through medicaid/medicare (government voucher) or they take their own money and buy it from a private insurance company. I think when dreamers demand health care coverage it's just that they want a right to either buy it or have it from their jobs, which is the point of the dream act.....being able to work and take care of self. All of this entitlement talks are just ignorant arguments in my opinion.
You can always buy it. Lets face it, most immigrants opt for the govt voucher. Almost 100% of my co-workers turned down health benefits for their family because they already had medical and preferred medical.
Financial aid is a different story. I believe we should have access to those funds because most of us pay taxes in many forms, so I don't really see it as a huge handout.

I graduated already, so financial aid is no longer an option but I hope many dreamers benefit from it someday.
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I'd rather go on welfare on the first occasion I get than pay for that tard's social security.
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Navarrette needs a lesson in community organizing. Escalation comes when there is no action from the side in power. Congress has had this bill for 11 f'n years. what have they done with it? Nothing. As DREAMers get more organized and gain numbers, escalation is going to happen. That means more sit-ins, provocation of officials and more radical actions if necessary.
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You can always buy it. Lets face it, most immigrants opt for the govt voucher. Almost 100% of my co-workers turned down health benefits for their family because they already had medical and preferred medical.
Financial aid is a different story. I believe we should have access to those funds because most of us pay taxes in many forms, so I don't really see it as a huge handout.

I graduated already, so financial aid is no longer an option but I hope many dreamers benefit from it someday.
Well if they are a family and living below the poverty line then they likely qualified for medicaid and if the coverage from medicaid is better than what the employer is giving then it's no brainer that they stick with it but let me just make one last point here. I truly think that it's offensive that they are trying to paint dreamers as these lazy whining freaks who are after handouts from the government when in fact all we want is legal status to function as active members of society and having access to health care and a decent education is part of that.

Anyways not everyone is after a crappy hand out. All I want is a little financial aid that will allow me to get my master and make a decent 6 figures salary and take good care of myself and my future children. That's all.
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Choukette, we agree on most things. All we want is some stability in our lives and the opportunity to contribute.
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