Washington lawmakers stuck on border security panel

Ianus · 03-04-2013, 12:32 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...panel/1961555/

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WASHINGTON -- A bipartisan group of senators collaborating on comprehensive immigration-reform legislation has not come to terms on a proposed commission to scrutinize border security. It's a potential sticking point between Democrats inclined to limit the panel to an advisory role and Republicans who want it to have meaningful authority.

The group, which would be composed of governors, attorneys general and other "community leaders living along the Southwest border," would gauge border-security progress and make a recommendation when it was satisfied that the legislation's security provisions were in effect.

Only then, according to a framework of the bill presented Jan. 28 by the so-called Gang of Eight senators, would the millions of undocumented immigrants already in the United States be able to start down a long path to citizenship.

The commission and border-security triggers were part of a compromise aimed at winning over conservative enforcement hawks.

But activists on both sides of the debate have reacted coolly to the idea and want to see the details.

While Republicans want to make sure the panel has muscle, immigration advocates and their Democratic allies want to make sure that commissioners can't politicize the process by using subjective criteria to perpetually claim that the border improvements are not good enough. They envision a commission more advisory in nature, with the secretary of Homeland Security -- whoever that is at the time -- making the final decision.

"We have not resolved anything on that issue yet," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a key Republican in the talks, told The Arizona Republic during an interview in his Capitol Hill office last week. "One of the things that you do in these negotiations is that you try to get some of the easier issues resolved before you get into the real tough ones. Kind of a momentum thing. So, we're still working away on it."

Generally speaking, McCain said, he and his seven Senate colleagues have been making progress on the bill, which is still expected to be released this month.

The other members of the group are Democrats Charles Schumer of New York, Dick Durbin of Illinois, Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Michael Bennet of Colorado; and Republicans Jeff Flake of Arizona, Marco Rubio of Florida and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina.

The effort, which is supported by President Barack Obama, is the most serious push for comprehensive immigration reform since 2007, when a compromise package co-authored by the late Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and then-Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., failed in the Senate amid a public outcry against "amnesty" for illegal immigrants.

McCain said the border-commission provision has proved somewhat tricky because the Constitution gives Congress authority over immigration and border issues, and a new panel can't trump that.

The lawmakers want the panel, which "has to have significant border representation," to be objective and not politically motivated, McCain said, and senators are asking the Government Accountability Office for input. The GAO is Congress' investigative arm.

"You've got to be careful about that, which is why I think it's important to have some metrics as to what they could look at from a statistical standpoint that would ensure that we have effective control of the border," McCain told The Republic. "We're looking to the administration to give us some recommendations there, and we're looking to the GAO to give us some recommendations."

Flake said the border commission is one of several issues that the Senate negotiators continue to work on, and the question about exactly how much influence it will have on the final conclusion about the level of security remains unresolved.

"We're still trying to figure that part out, and what role it plays," Flake said. "Now, whether that is an actual sign-off in the end or real input into what the metrics are and how it is judged (has not been settled)."

Immigration advocates would prefer legislation that does not make a pathway to citizenship contingent on border security, which they say has greatly improved in recent years with the addition of Border Patrol personnel, technology and fencing.

The Senate group's framework calls for a "tough but fair" path for prospective permanent residents and prospective citizens that would include passing a background check, paying taxes, learning English and U.S. civics, and going to "the back of the line" of legal immigrants. However, they would be allowed to immediately secure probationary legal status, which would let them live and work in the country by registering with the government, passing a background check and paying a penalty.

Frank Sharry, executive director of the pro-reform organization America's Voice, called the proposed commission "worrisome" because of the potential for political mischief by border hard-liners who could tie up the process.

Even if the commission just makes a recommendation to the Homeland Security secretary, the final decision could hinge on who is president years from now, when the panel completes its work, he said. And it's anybody's guess who would be the governors and attorneys general in the four border states when the commission gets going.

"I'm not prepared to say it's a deal-breaker for us, but I am prepared to say it's excessive, it's expensive and it's mostly unnecessary," Sharry said. "I understand the pressures within the Republican Party, but in some respects we are talking about a condition to satisfy a perception that has been promoted in a distorted way."

McCain and Flake both acknowledged that the government has made strides in upgrading border security, but they said more is needed.

"The border piece certainly is a deal-breaker," Flake said, speaking for himself and possibly other Republicans. "We have to have some serious commitment and some serious progress there."

But some immigration-reform opponents and other observers also are not impressed with the idea of the new border commission.

Steven Camarota, director of research for the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies, said the border commission allows Republicans to posture on the security issue by suggesting they are tougher on the border than Obama and the Democrats.

From his group's perspective, it doesn't matter much if such a commission ever declares the border is secure because the undocumented immigrants will get provisional legal status, or "amnesty," regardless.

"It's hard to imagine it could really have much teeth," said Camarota, whose organization supports more immigration enforcement and overall reductions in immigration. "I see it as a kind of meaningless gesture that allows Republicans to say they're standing up to the president and that it means something. It doesn't. I don't think it means anything as a practical matter, and I don't think it means anything as a political matter."

One political expert who follows the immigration debate closely said he views the proposed commission as a way that the Senate could shift responsibility for securing the border from itself to others.

Either Congress will completely punt on the issue or will so strictly guide what the commission can do through the legislation that the panel will turn out to be a charade, said Louis DeSipio, professor of political science and Chicano studies at the University of California-Irvine.

"It's really a face-saving measure for the Senate that is almost guaranteed not to accomplish very much in the end, except maybe delay," he said.

VeryNicePerson1 · 03-04-2013, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ianus

The group, which would be composed of governors, attorneys general and other "community leaders living along the Southwest border," would gauge border-security progress and make a recommendation when it was satisfied that the legislation's security provisions were in effect.

Governors? OK
Attorney General? OK
Community leaders...umm...what?? You mean Mary from the Neighborhood Watch will have a say too??

Its shit like this that bloats politics, and unnecessarily delays progress

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Originally Posted by Ianus

While Republicans want to make sure the panel has muscle, immigration advocates and their Democratic allies want to make sure that commissioners can't politicize the process by using subjective criteria to perpetually claim that the border improvements are not good enough. They envision a commission more advisory in nature, with the secretary of Homeland Security -- whoever that is at the time -- making the final decision.

EXACTLY!!!

Republican spokesperson: duurrrrrrr...we have checked the border there...and there seems to be too much...errrrr...tresspassing...so...errr...the border is still not secure...errr...we will keep you posted in the coming monts...errr...yep thats about it...durrrrrrr.

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Originally Posted by Ianus

McCain said the border-commission provision has proved somewhat tricky because the Constitution gives Congress authority over immigration and border issues, and a new panel can't trump that.

This was total Boss from McCain right here. Its good having the old McCain back, I just hope he sticks with it this time.

Pianoswithoutfaith · 03-04-2013, 02:33 PM

I wouldn't trust him too much

He's very bipolar one minute voting for a dream act and another voting for it

DA User · 03-04-2013, 02:55 PM

They are working on it. Great news.

chocolatedrop · 03-04-2013, 03:07 PM

This is bullshit,we are gonna have two classes of citizenship. the legal immigrants and those of us that we're illegal until this CIR/ DA if it passes.This is hard for the American people to get on board with. If this bill is not presented soon they lose a window of opportunity ...lets face it we have legal immigrants in a so called family line that have been waiting since 1999 ....really though some even longer depending on which country you are from...permanent LIMBO for everyone cause the Democrats are not going to sign a DA only bill...so we will all be stuck..Politics as usual

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