House immigration bill stuck on workers - Page 2

I'm pretty sure Demise was just mocking you by giving you the link to those people...

The US only has a little over 300m people, that's not a huge population for a country this size at all. The only problem I see with the population is the aging problem. It will only get worse with the baby boomers retiring and obamacare is going to further burden the young working class. Currently only immediate family members get their green cards within a year (3 months in most cases). The problem is that it excludes children over 21 which is a big problem because you would only get an influx of older people into the country while barring young working crowds, whereas in our cases, creating intelligent waiters and barmaids working under the table instead of being able to build the life we actually want.

Sibling application is not sensible either, the wait is around 15 years or more right now. I think what would make your suggestion fair would be direct family member but include children who are over 21 and not married. And if sibling is the only tie, maybe if the sibling was ever a guardian it should be treated as an immediate family member.

we admit?

You are not even a USC and you already deciding who gets in and who doesn't?

It should be: The country admits.

Population grows EXPONENTIALLY.

It is very, very, very, very, very, and very fast.

US will become another India/China before we know it.

Can you actually back this up with some studies?

All you are saying is just subjective and we can't really say that.

It is a well known and common sense fact that population growth is one of those things that increase exponentially, much much faster than the linear growth.

If you do a simple google search, you will see millions of such studies: Google exponential growth, population, etc.

well known and common sense

you know someones argument is bullshit when they start with this shit, no man you go and find some actual data, some analysis about this, actually some legit unbias DATA (graphs, information, reports, CENSUS?)


Then come back here


Please start your next post as so;

"According to so and so, "

I don't think you understand what you are talking about.

Developing countries have a population "problem" because most of the times they have an agriculture drive economy. If you are a small farmer you'll need as much help as possible in the fields, hence higher average children per capita.

China imposed a one child-policy in SOME metropolitan areas because of overcrowding. This happened because the country developed very quickly and there was mass migration to the cities. Another fun fact is that you need something akin to a passport to live a Chinese city if you are a migrant worker from rural China. Also they are lifting these restrictions.

Developed countries have the opposite problem: there are not enough babies. This happens because the relative cost of having kids increases dramatically once a country becomes rich -- suddenly having a kid doesn't mean more help in the fields but they are equal to college costs, health care, Bieber concert tickets, and so on. This is why developed countries have ridiculously low birth rates compared to the 3rd World. A lot of these countries are seeing population DECREASES (Japan, South Korea, and pretty much all of Europe).

It is in the interest of developed countries to have population increases so they can keep running their Ponzi schemes Social Security programs. Think about what would happen if there were more old people than there were young people.

Anyway, since developed countries have low birthrates these countries have the incentive to promote immigration. The problem with immigration emerges when these immigrants are actually causing a loss to the state -- when they take in more services than they pay in taxes -- this is why there is even a debate about immigration.

In a perfect Economist created Dystopia the US would legalize only those immigrants that provide a net benefit to the American society, and frankly you an I know that not everyone falls under this category.

Time for a good dose of reality:

The Dream Act is the least controversial part of CIR not because lawmakers feel sorry for the poor children that were brought here by their parents at no fault of their own, and are now fighting for a future. But its because if you are here young and are about to get a college degree you are the BEST investment the government can make. You will have a college education and you have the rest of your life ahead of you to pay taxes. Hence the reason there is an age cut off for DACA and the Dream Act.