Harry Reid says immigration bill on floor next week - Page 2

just to remind you again. we are beggars not choosers.

They took two months to introduce the bill, taken two months to bring it to a floor vote, Congress will recess on August 2. Special elections for next year's Congressional elections begin in October.

Just threaten to bring back the Pres's plan and put it for a vote. That will get them moving.

No, I now. I don't think we 'deserve' things, the quote is inserted in context. Let me put it this way, the minute we settle for less than is fair, we get what?

Exactly. And Hence the Democrats will never every support such a measure. So what do we do now? Republicans don't want path to citizenship and Democrats don't want to pass a bill that would make us second class citizens. We've been in the middle of this for years and years and years. I don't see how they can come to a compromise. House Republicans are totally unwilling to do ANYTHING that is associated with immigrants. They have made it clear. We have been referred to as "wetbacks" by one of the Reps recently I think. I wonder why Leahy and Co. looked so happy after passing the bill onto the floor. What's the point of all that BS when a few old men in the House will strike everything down? Obama isn't doing much to rally the House IMO. I certainly hope I'm wrong.

But even then, that would STILL be better than what we have now. Most countries don't offer illegal immigrants much option than deportation. Not trying to red herr or anything but the more we ask the more we might not get. What would have been fair was way back when was try to change this countrys immigration laws and stop making it so difficult to get a legal status here. Obviously this is not the case anymore so I can see what they are trying to do in passing this CIR

I believed it to be theater all along, the only legitimate moment of hope for me was not being excluded from DA by removing the age limit.

I tell you, no organization, bank, school, business, govnm agency would extend a temporary benefit (like TPS) for 18 months when a supposedly permanent fix is to be available soon.

So, then you've gotten what's fair, right? You have DACA status and can drive, work and travel (domestically) freely. They can take the argument can go the other way, too, and say, "well, you can pretty much live the same life as a citizen, but you don't HAVE to be one, and we don't want to make you one."

Your parents brought you here for a better life and you DO have a better life here, even if you're not a citizen. Do you find this fair?

The situation right now is desperate and sad for sure. The entire country wants immigration reform. Disregard any sham conservative polls that say otherwise. But the bill is very likely to be killed by a handful of old conservative hardliners who don't like immigrants personally. How f*cked up is that. After hours upon hours of rallying and compromises by the Gang of 8, the House threatens to take it down the drain. Boehner is just sitting on his ass enjoying the show. Obama could care less about this since he doesn't have any more elections to win. Rubio is enjoying himself since we all know now how hard he has worked for CIR and after the bill fails, his conservative fans will continue voting for him in Florida. Non-DACA folks are in jeopardy for sure. "Agreement on principal"...what a Hoax.

Hmmm...every time I read of some ridiculous newsline, like 'son locked mother in the refrigerator because she wouldn't iron his shirts any more', etc, and I scan the page to see where it took place...it's Florida. And then they have that crackpot for Govr. Fine voters the state has, I see.

No offense to Fl dreamers, don't mean you. Signing off, have to work.

What would have been FAIR for the people who are BORN here was for me to have left back to my own country and apply there. Which is what I said how this nations immigration laws are outdated and really should change and not make it so difficult to acquire a legal status.

The thing is now you are asking to be part of a society where you are NOT. Really now it boils down to what you think you deserve. Is no longer whats fair because who here is to decide what is fair and what is not fair?

Do I personally think is unfair that these house members and republicans want to treat us as a second wife? yes, I think thats very unfair that they want this cheap labor with out at least giving us a more stable option. Because most these people are coming from countries where things like NAFTA help shape them into what they are now. I totally am not disagree with you here. I understand this. I understand there are people since apparently the 80s with the same status as they came here with stuck with nothing on both ends. How people say we don't pay taxes and are sucking the resources we don't give when in realities there are studies that prove this false or how they say we are taking their jobs when we really are doing the jobs they literally will not do. Or how they blame US for making cheap labor so desired and lowering the wages so low they rather not do the work instead of blaming these companies who hire us in the first place.

So back to the question here about unfairness, why do you personally believe is not fair for them to give you citizenship?

Are you going to play the card how its not your fault and how its your parents fault and you were little and did not want to come here and therefor it shouldn't be you burden? And you are the victim here and with out will of your own were brought here so now the system needs to somehow repay you, rewards, for being a good pretend citizen because you finished school, dont have a criminal record and overall as the best most just person in the world? Because this is what you are trying to say with out really saying it. You keep using that quote but now are changing it to match your argument here.

its really not what we think because quite honestly these people who CAN change the system don't care what we think as we are just "wetbacks" as that republicans said it. I can think how fair our situation is and you can think how unfair it is or vice versa but that won't change anything.

The matter of the fact is, nothing we say or do will change anything unless we make it change. Unless we get out and start to strategically and intelligently convincing those that CAN change the system to see the issue as we see it, nothing will change. The sad thing is that many of these people who have the power are old white people with old outdated ideologies. They won't change with out compromise and even then, they still will find a way to hesitate on passing a cir.