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Obama Can Win a Huge Victory in Immigration... If He Does It Right

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08-17-2014, 11:51 PM
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President Obama is soon to issue executive orders on immigration. To score a huge victory in the inevitable political battle, however, he has to orchestrate it.

The president cannot rely on the popularity of his actions, or even the feeling that
"something" is being done. He has to orchestrate it for maximum impact. Otherwise, as with almost everything else, the radical right-wing will control the narrative.

1. This should be an Oval Office speech to the nation. We need the president in our living rooms, explaining what he is doing and why. Otherwise, all the Right need do is to create confusion and stir anxiety. [He needs to do more Oval Office speeches, but that is another subject].

2. For each action, the president should cite precedent. This is basically the "talking points." When news media report on Republican reaction, they can refer to these precedents already cited by the president

3. The president should make it clear that he prefers Congressional action. He should offer a deal, that if Republicans bring up the Senate bill, intact, for an up-or-down vote in the House, he will cancel his executive orders regardless of the outcome of that vote. Even if the vote is "no," he should offer to withdraw his executive orders just in exchange for having the vote.
The president should remind the nation that the House is the peoples' branch, but that majorities shift based upon the issue, it does not have to be all Republicans or all Democrats. On some issues, the majority is bipartisan. Let the majority of the House speak, up or down, on the Senate bill by bringing it to a vote.

He should point out that the Senate bill is bipartisan, passing by more than two-thirds majority in the Senate. He should call out Marco Rubio (R/TP-FL) by name as an example of a right-wing Republican who led the charge to develop and pass that bill.

If the president takes these steps, the American people will not only be with him, but he will have cornered the Republicans so that, for once, they may do the right thing.

Of course, that will only happen if, for once, the president orchestrates his announcement for maximum impact.
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And we all know he will do nothing or take some token action behind closed doors, ideally put it on a piece of paper and throw it to the DHS secretary to sign.
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And we all know he will do nothing or take some token action behind closed doors, ideally put it on a piece of paper and throw it to the DHS secretary to sign.
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Oh yeah I'm sure he'll do nothing like he has always done..
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Number 3 is a very interesting idea, I would love to see it happen!
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Number 3 is frightening,there's nothing worse than backing a republican into a corner ... like a wild animal it might just bite us in the a$$.
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Oh yeah I'm sure he'll do nothing like he has always done..
Remember how he publicly announced DACA and took the time to explain why it's needed? Remember the time where he called for immigration reform before a non-latino audience? Remember the time he would put the republicans in a corner? Me neither because none of these ever happened.

Hell he didn't even take ownership 0f DACA, his name is nowhere on it. In all reality - DACA was an election year stunt, he was fairing so god damn poorly with latinos that he needed something to rally them up. Why do you think it came out in 2012 when prosecutional discretion was mentioned since at least 2010?

So yes - he may do something, chickenshit style and just piss the republicans off and just give them more ammo. He can definitely play it well and force them into action, but will he? Seeing how "well" he's done immigration in the past my answer would be no.
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Remember how he publicly announced DACA and took the time to explain why it's needed? Remember the time where he called for immigration reform before a non-latino audience? Remember the time he would put the republicans in a corner? Me neither because none of these ever happened.

Hell he didn't even take ownership 0f DACA, his name is nowhere on it. In all reality - DACA was an election year stunt, he was fairing so god damn poorly with latinos that he needed something to rally them up. Why do you think it came out in 2012 when prosecutional discretion was mentioned since at least 2010?

So yes - he may do something, chickenshit style and just piss the republicans off and just give them more ammo. He can definitely play it well and force them into action, but will he? Seeing how "well" he's done immigration in the past my answer would be no.
Perhaps my subtle hinting wasn't enough to give you the hint. In your tagline you have: "Approved: Mar 19 2013. EAD received: Mar 23 2013." which means that for over a year you've had a work permit thanks to DACA and Obama and you're still saying he won't do anything and are butthurt that the didn't "own it" whatever that means? You can always give it back if you feel so strongly that it's "nothing" or are not happy that he didn't put on a big dance when he announced it.
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Perhaps my subtle hinting wasn't enough to give you the hint. In your tagline you have: "Approved: Mar 19 2013. EAD received: Mar 23 2013." which means that for over a year you've had a work permit thanks to DACA and Obama and you're still saying he won't do anything and are butthurt that the didn't "own it" whatever that means? You can always give it back if you feel so strongly that it's "nothing" or are not happy that he didn't put on a big dance when he announced it.
Can someone translate for me into Spanish (or whatever other language this guy speaks), because this guy apparently doesn't understand English. What I am saying is that Obama isn't doing enough, he is never around when immigration needs a solid push. He's just sitting there twiddling his thumbs hoping that republicans will come back to the table someday. This issue needs leadership, real god damn leadership. I am not saying that DACA was a bad step, hell, I'm glad I finally have a fucking driver's license and can work. But to say that "well, we have DACA, so let's call it the day" is outright idiotic.
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Can someone translate for me into Spanish (or whatever other language this guy speaks), because this guy apparently doesn't understand English. What I am saying is that Obama isn't doing enough, he is never around when immigration needs a solid push. He's just sitting there twiddling his thumbs hoping that republicans will come back to the table someday. This issue needs leadership, real god damn leadership. I am not saying that DACA was a bad step, hell, I'm glad I finally have a fucking driver's license and can work. But to say that "well, we have DACA, so let's call it the day" is outright idiotic.
I got all A's in my English papers in college, but you are welcome to translate what you're saying in Spanish if you'd like. Either way, you sound ungrateful. This is what you wrote and what I responded to:

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And we all know he will do nothing or take some token action behind closed doors, ideally put it on a piece of paper and throw it to the DHS secretary to sign.
You say this and yet you fully took advantage of this "token action" and it certainly wasn't nothing. I don't even know what you mean about it putting it on a piece of paper and having someone else sign it. Are you mad that this piece of paper that has essentially freed you was not signed in a manner that pleases you?

Was it enough? Well no of course it's not enough. I don't even have DACA and Jose Vargas just got an arrest warrant today so he certainly doesn't have DACA, but to say that Obama has done nothing just makes you sound childish. Were you not paying attention when the Senate passed their version of DACA with the President vowing to sign it? Did you not see all those Senate Hearings? Did you not see the House Republicans vow to defeat it? Did you not see the flood of kids crossing the border causing another crisis?

What did Obama not do that you think he should have done, and don't you give me some vague bullshit answer like "uh, he should show leadership". If he would have done any Executive Order last year, he would have been blamed by people like you saying now CIR will never pass. He had to show that Republicans didn't act and he has to and even that is risky.
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I got all A's in my English papers in college, but you are welcome to translate what you're saying in Spanish if you'd like. Either way, you sound ungrateful. This is what you wrote and what I responded to:



You say this and yet you fully took advantage of this "token action" and it certainly wasn't nothing. I don't even know what you mean about it putting it on a piece of paper and having someone else sign it. Are you mad that this piece of paper that has essentially freed you was not signed in a manner that pleases you?

Was it enough? Well no of course it's not enough. I don't even have DACA and Jose Vargas just got an arrest warrant today so he certainly doesn't have DACA, but to say that Obama has done nothing just makes you sound childish. Were you not paying attention when the Senate passed their version of DACA with the President vowing to sign it? Did you not see all those Senate Hearings? Did you not see the House Republicans vow to defeat it? Did you not see the flood of kids crossing the border causing another crisis?

What did Obama not do that you think he should have done, and don't you give me some vague bullshit answer like "uh, he should show leadership". If he would have done any Executive Order last year, he would have been blamed by people like you saying now CIR will never pass. He had to show that Republicans didn't act and he has to and even that is risky.
I think Demise for some reason thinks Obama is God and can do anything and everything he wants on immigration whenever he wants but that is simply not the case. There is a system of checks and balances that are established by the constitution, the same constitution he is facing a (politically motivated) lawsuit over. This sense of entitlement that Demise is portraying plays directly into the Republican narrative that Dreamer are never going to be happy and will always want more.
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