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Texas judge's immigration rebuke may be hard to challenge - Page 2

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02-18-2015, 07:01 PM
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(Reuters) - President Barack Obama's administration faces a difficult and possibly lengthy legal battle to overturn a Texas court ruling that blocked his landmark immigration overhaul, since the judge based his decision on an obscure and unsettled area of administrative law, lawyers said.

In his ruling on Monday that upended plans to shield millions of people from deportation, U.S. District Judge Andrew Hanen avoided diving into sweeping constitutional questions or tackling presidential powers head-on. Instead, he faulted Obama for not giving public notice of his plans.

The failure to do so, Hanen wrote, was a violation of the 1946 Administrative Procedure Act, which requires notice in a publication called the Federal Register as well as an opportunity for people to submit views in writing.

The ruling, however narrow, marked an initial victory for 26 states that brought the case alleging Obama had exceeded his powers with executive orders that would let up to 4.7 million illegal immigrants stay without threat of deportation.

"It's a very procedural point – that he did this too quickly," said Michael Kagan, a law professor at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

Hanen's ruling left in disarray U.S. policy toward the roughly 11 million people in the country illegally. Obama said on Tuesday he disagreed with the ruling and expected his administration to prevail in the courts.

The U.S. Justice Department was preparing an appeal of Hanen's temporary injunction to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans, Obama said. The court could consider an emergency request to block Hanen's ruling, potentially within days, although most of the 23 judges on the court were appointed by Republican presidents.

There was no consensus among lawyers with expertise in administrative law and immigration law on whether Hanen would be reversed on appeal. But they said the judge was wise to focus on an area of administrative law where legal precedent is sometimes fuzzy.

In the near term, the narrow approach allowed Hanen to issue a temporary injunction barring federal agencies from putting Obama's plans into place. An appointee of President George W. Bush, Hanen had previously criticized U.S. immigration enforcement as too lax.

BRAKE ON PRESIDENTIAL ACTION

Hanen's ruling turned on the Administrative Procedure Act's requirement that a proposed rule or regulation appear in the Federal Register so people have a chance to comment. The Federal Register is a daily journal of U.S. government proceedings.

The "notice and comment" requirement acts as a brake on all presidents, slowing their plans by months or years.

The requirement, though, does not apply to "interpretative rules" or "legislative rules," an exception that Justice Department lawyers said applied to Obama's announcement in November.

For Hanen, the pivotal question became whether the new rules, such as granting work permits to potentially millions of illegal immigrants, was binding on federal agents or merely general guidance. He ruled that they were binding, and that Obama should have allowed for notice and comment.

Lawyers with expertise in administrative law said there was little guidance from the U.S. Supreme Court on what qualifies as a rule that needs to be published, leaving disagreement among lower courts and a grey area for Hanen to work in.

"The case law as to what qualifies as a legislative rule is remarkably unclear," said Anne Joseph O'Connell, a University of California Berkeley law professor.

LENGTHY PROCESS LOOMS

O'Connell said it was hard to predict how the appeals court would rule in the end, although she thought it was likely the court would lift Hanen's temporary injunction and allow the Obama administration to begin putting its program in place.

The subject is not strictly partisan, she said, because sometimes a liberal interest group might favor a strict requirement for notice and comment.

An appeal before the 5th Circuit could take months, as lawyers file written briefs and the court holds oral argument and comes to a decision.

The appeals court could also consider other questions, such as whether the states that brought the lawsuit had what is known as standing to sue or whether Obama violated the clause of the U.S. Constitution that requires presidents to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed."

There is no chance Obama would begin the notice-and-comment period now, because U.S. immigration policy would be frozen in place during the lengthy process, said Peter Margulies, an immigration expert at Roger Williams University School of Law in Rhode Island.

He said it could delay Obama's policy for "a minimum of six to eight months, and potentially much longer."

(Reporting by David Ingram and Mica Rosenberg in New York and Julia Edwards in Washington; Editing by Noeleen Walder and Stuart Grudgings)
This is not looking good, I pray this all gets sorted out sooner than later
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Hi guys, I'm new to the forum.
I came at age 14 in 1987. Graduated HS, went to college and I'm in the healthcare industry.
My parents never adjusted their status and as a result, here I am. I'm not assigning blame but those are the facts.
My spouse and I waited 7 years for our first labor case and at the last minute the employer backed out, not wanting to disclose finances and taxes to the government. In 2000 we started another case that lasted 6 years, guess what? That employer also backed for the same reason. The only positive thing that came out was the grandfathered 245i status. The slave labor wages and being taking advantage of, not so much. When DACA first came out, I was incredulous with the age cap. Unfortunately this time around I stupidly allowed myself to hope, dream and make plans. I should have known better but there it is, I'm heartbroken all over again.
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Hi guys, I'm new to the forum.
I came at age 14 in 1987. Graduated HS, went to college and I'm in the healthcare industry.
My parents never adjusted their status and as a result, here I am. I'm not assigning blame but those are the facts.
My spouse and I waited 7 years for our first labor case and at the last minute the employer backed out, not wanting to disclose finances and taxes to the government. In 2000 we started another case that lasted 6 years, guess what? That employer also backed for the same reason. The only positive thing that came out was the grandfathered 245i status. The slave labor wages and being taking advantage of, not so much. When DACA first came out, I was incredulous with the age cap. Unfortunately this time around I stupidly allowed myself to hope, dream and make plans. I should have known better but there it is, I'm heartbroken all over again.
I take it your spouse is not a citizen?
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I take it your spouse is not a citizen?
Correct, he'd fall under DAPA, came at 19 in 1993. When they emailed the guidelines a few days before, we were so sure this was a go. I finished everything on Monday night except the I 821 updated form. I should have realised the agency knew that this wasn't going to roll out once they sent the guidelines but not the updated forms. I'm still kicking myself for wearing rose colored glasses. This lawsuit was in the works and it's apparently not a surprise to anyone. Why won't Obama issue an Emergency Stay? He seemed so sincere in saying they will prevail, if they are so sure then Why wait ?
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So the original DACA in 2012 is also affected? that means that origins DACA is no longer valid? IS that right?
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So the original DACA in 2012 is also affected? that means that origins DACA is no longer valid? IS that right?
No. Original DACA was not affected. Only the Nov 20th Executive Actions are affected
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They can also push for CIR or Dream Act.
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what does this have anything to do with this or anything for that matter
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what does this have anything to do with this or anything for that matter
Obama said that if Congress passes CIR then the E.O will be gone!
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this congress will never pass a CIR
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