The Obama Administration's Missteps in Issuing and Defending the DAPA/DACA Programs - - Page 6

I hate...that's kinda strong word...I dislike that we think of it as an "immigrants first" situation. The issue of immigration is about the legal and undocumented, it's a economic issue that affects all Americans, and it's a security issue. CIR is not a benefit only to the undocumented it's a plus to the entire country. Ask my USC husband how immigration has affected him. It's not just about us it's about those around us.

I really hope so; it's been hard and that can be called an understatement.

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What kind of misogynistic drivel is that?

Well, I DO care about what happens and I DO care when ppl lie and ruin families and leave children orphan. I become indignant and offended. Those who care tend to do that. And maybe if I smoked weed (I don't), I'd believe in unicorns, too.

Go have a coffee, tea or a beer. You sound like one angry dude. I owe you s**t.

the reason republicans have done nothing is because there is no win for them here. its why cubans here get legalized if they show up on american soil because cubans lean republican. the only hope is to find republicans with a decent amount latinos and pressure them to vote for cir but with the way constituent lines were drawn up by republicans a few years ago there are few. there is no incentive for them to vote for cir. house republicans dont care cause they dont feel the pressure. they basically would have to be smashed in the next presidential election and latinos would actually have to show up to vote in high numbers for any kind of hope.

There were enough democrats and republicans in the house to pass the senate's immigration bill. After the 2014 midterm I think there still might be the votes but I'm not sure since some dems lost their seat. Actually there would be a big game for the GOP to support CIR, but their base does not want it and rather than cater to the majority of voters who want immigration reform they continue down this narrow path.

Misogynistic? Why? Because you only care about the poor and war torn women? What about the men? I'm not the angry one here. I'm just tired of misinformation and self entitlement.

Couldnt agree with you more, Most of us need Daca and Dapa things that woulnt happen under mccain an mitt. Yet we are supposed to listen to an idealistic article simply because it was written by peter and he is apperantly left wing.

okay can someone give me a summary of whats going on this topic?

Are people arguing that illegal immigrations like ME (well visa overstay) deserve rights here as those born here and presidents should put their priority on passing an immigration reform thats it?

First of all we are not illegal...we are undocumented. Second, whether we have status or not we do have some rights. Third, we should a be priority if 42 percent of hispanics citizens who are eligible to vote come and support your party because of your position on immigration. Typically in American politics when a constituency shows up for you and turns out for you, you take their considerations and concerns into account. As a DACA beneficiary, I am grateful that I have work authorization and can join the folds of society in the most simple way such as obtaining a DL. And I can thank President Obama for that and the countless advocates who kept the pressure on him. But to insinuate that because we have DACA and we lack status we cannot have expectations for the elected officials of the country is preposterous.

There are a lot of arguments going on in here. Well, here I go.

There are many theorist as to why the Republican Party is still alive. Some argued that the way demographics are distributed within the country is the main reason. Others, argued is due to unfair district lines, and yes, we are talking about Texas. Yet, most agree the party is dying because the country is changing and they are confusing values with dogmas.

Although it is interesting to hear theories about CIR and the presidential candidates, I don't think the attention is where it should be. Look, the extremists are fighting and forcing their representatives to fight to the nail EDACA, DAPA and even DACA. If delayed deportations are the most "controversial" "politically charged" actions that can possibly happen, how do you expect even The Dream Act to stand a chance?

We have only one item that is real, which is DACA and two that are possibilities which are EDACA and DAPA. All of the above are nothing but delayed deportations. Hence the title Deferred Actions. We are empty handed.

Still, extremist groups started to organized at the end of the 80's. Their grip was slow and thus loosing up the grip will also be slow. It will take years for the country to be ready for CIR and those gains can be loose at any moment if we let our guard down.

If anyone is willing to forfeit the little power they have, well, it is their choice. Though, I often sided with Locke and consider that we can force you to be free. Power is responsibility as uncle Ben stated. If you do not want to be responsible, at least for pulling your own weight, well, they the super liberal organizations will have to carry you in their shoulders.

If I sound like a horrible person, I'm sorry. There was a study a couple of years ago by a Nobel Prize winner that stated that around 85% of the wealth created had little to do with individual talent and more to do with the structure around the individual talent. That is, your coffee shop is a viable business 15% in part of your hard work and 85% due to the roads, police force, electricity, internet and other items created due to public bargain. Another is that although Reagan economics are mathematically possible, it would required for us to pretty much get rid of the tax system and shut down, not only education and health care but national defense.

I am giving this filler as a warm up. When we talk about free loaders and self-entitled criminals, are we talking about us? If we deserve nothing, then are we going to forfeit our work permits under EDACA because technically speaking we do not deserve them? If it is a bone thrown at us, does it mean we do not have the right to complain if it is taken from us?

Part of the fight for CIR is the fight to make what is hidden plain to eye sight. Of course most people dislike to learn the contribution of undocumented immigrants. If undocumented immigrants do not deserve any rights because they take more than what they give, then we do not have to fix a situation that is producing benefits to all at the expense of the undocumented immigrants.

The California legislation is debating a bill that will forbid lawyers to charge undocumented immigrants in advance. The Republican argument was that lawyers do not have the right to scam immigrants, even if they are undocumented. That is a right, even though it sounds like common sense. The right to not be rob, rape or kill. To say that we do not have rights, is implying a lacking of those basic rights. All rights are political. In the jungle,you do not have any rights. In a feudal system, you do not have any rights. And all rights are negotiable, all of them. If you let them treat you like an animal, guess what?

Still, the most vulnerable the group, the harder it is to obtain and keep rights. Undocumented immigrants are a vulnerable group. So, earning rights will take a lot of hard work and a lot of time. Sad but true. Look at the African American community. So much work and hard work and though they have advance leaps, they are far away from total justice.