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Originally Posted by Crilly

Really? Having a different opinion makes me a troll.

Originally Posted by applebees121

No, different opinions are fine. But you are obviously a fking troll because you try to disagree on everything and egregiously.

really disappointed with the mods here.

Originally Posted by applebees121

No, different opinions are fine. But you are obviously a fking troll because you try to disagree on everything and egregiously.

really disappointed with the mods here.

Originally Posted by eva02

But Obama created more than 15 million jobs. The reason democrats lost the election was because bigotry and hatred amongst white people and the preservation of their white identity outweighed their other self interests. How do you explain a county that is so depenedent on Obamacare voting for trump? How do you explain his sudden rise in poll numbers the days immediately after he called Mexicans immigrants rapist? Bigotry. Obama was a great president having to deal with the republicans blocking him at every turn. The democrats lost because they were too confident that racism was a thing of the past. They did not attack trump as harshly as a republican went after Clinton for the smallest slights. Republicans are the party of the white older male. That comes with a certain privilege. Donald trump got away with things that would have ended Clinton or obamas campaigns.

Originally Posted by AztecAztec

I think this is more than one issue, racism. Look at two states he won, Michigan and Wisconsin. Two states that have voted Democrat since Bill Clinton won. Those states also voted for Barak Obama twice.

Donald Trump is a salesman and deals with persuasion and not facts. People vote ( and buy ) with their gut, not with their brains. He, like a good salesman, preyed on our unconscious biases.

I agree that the Democrats were overconfident. They were overconfident just like Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz and all the others that Trump was a joke. They did not see a snake oil salesman coming.

Originally Posted by Crilly

Then what are we?

Originally Posted by eva02

He won the states by razor thin margins. I also believe voter apathy and voter suppression were factors. In North Carolina early voting was shortened and polling sites were closed on colleges campus and minority's communities. Tough voter ID laws in some states also did not help. The voter apathy came from the primaries after Clinton endured the furry of sanders and his supporters. They refused to vote for a candidate that more closely mirrored their ideology and instead ended up with someone that was everything sanders refuted. Young people really helped throw this election to trump as well as those third party candidates.

Originally Posted by AztecAztec

Totally agree with you.

Voter suppression and apathy did tips the scales. I was just pointing out that there was more than just one reason, just as you pointed out.

I was a Bernie supporter myself, and ended up voting for Hillary, but I was not enthusiastic about it. I felt he had been cheated. I almost voted third party.