DREAMer: Trump is still trash on immigration - Page 3

Originally Posted by Smooth

Then, we should all start to attack and call him a bloody asshole/racist. While we are it, let us all hope he eliminates DACA because benefiting from any program under his administration goes against our ethics as dreamers etc. Hell, we should all start a petition to have him cancel daca, so we are in no way connected to him.

"All of a sudden we should kiss his butt that he's only deporting those other people and not us?" What you forget is that many innocent immigrants were deported under Obama while he protected us, which he explains he later tried to help more with eDACA and DAPA. We would continually confront Obama on these deportations, and he would essentially give the same reasoning every republican gives us. As the President, he has a constitutional duty to uphold the laws of this country.

DOUBLE STANDARDS. We should not be cautious or strategic because Trump is a racist and a bloody asshole. We should stop receiving any sort of benefit or deportation protections from this administration to protest his presidency and the fact that we dislike him as a president and person. Our ego matters more than being strategic, advancing our dreams, and helping put food on the table for our families, many of which rely on us for income now given that finding work is more difficult.

I do not mind dreamers dissenting and criticizing his policies in a civil way. That's fair. After all, we do live in a democracy. However, blindly engaging in ad hominem arguments that are based along Democratic partisan lines is irresponsible and puts all of us at risk. Another reminder, we live in a Democracy; the dreamers who want to praise the fact that he has not eliminated daca are not any less of dreamers than the ones who attack him and feel that they are better than the dreamers who disagree with their strategy.

Originally Posted by IamAman

If you are trying to create moral equivalency with what Obama's deportation plans were vs. Trump's, you lose all credibility. Obama deported actual criminals and there were times that innocent undocumented people also got caught up in the net. That's expected and is being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Trump's plan is to deport ANYBODY they catch - it doesn't matter if they're taking their kid to school, have been here 20 years, or how badly it will destroy their lives.

As for your "Let's all petition to get DACA removed" comment, don't be a child. I get it, he kept DACA which let's be honest, what anybody on this forum cares about. Forget the horrors he does to other immigrants because you got yours, right? The travel ban that initially wanted to ban people WITH green cards and only was stopped thanks to the courts didn't affect you so he must not be a bad guy, right? Sanctuary Cities law that he inspired in Texas and he wants to roll out nationally, that won't affect you so he is just a cool guy that's misunderstood, right? Officially ending DAPA and eDACA...yeah, he's just a peach. We should just kiss his ass.

Originally Posted by Smooth

1. Wrong. That still happens now. Non-DACA immigrants did not have a basis for protection then and do not have a basis for protection now. Double standards. Also, I never said forget other immigrants; we can continue to lobby for them. But, I disagree with the strategy of using personal attacks rather than focusing on policy criticisms, which are two different concepts.

Originally Posted by Swim19

What about all those undocumented people who have been checking in for ICE for years, and now are suddenly being deported? They'd still be here if Obama or Hillary were in office. There was more protection for those caught in the net.

Example is this Colorado mother of 3 US citizen children who was brought to US when she was 5. I don't have time to look at the moment, but there are many similar cases.

Originally Posted by Swim19

What about all those undocumented people who have been checking in for ICE for years, and now are suddenly being deported? They'd still be here if Obama or Hillary were in office. There was more protection for those caught in the net.

Example is this Colorado mother of 3 US citizen children who was brought to US when she was 5. I don't have time to look at the moment, but there are many similar cases.

Originally Posted by BeeHive

I don't understand why you guys always defend Obama like he didn't deport anybody.

Obama administration kicks off family deportation raids

Deported veterans ask Obama for relief

When Jaime Valdez Reyes (31) was deported even though he lived in USA since he was 14.

After living for 21 years in the U.S., Ramos, 39, was deported to Mexico in September, separated from the two daughters and son she has raised as a single mother since her ex-husband left them seven years ago.

Deportation Separated Thousands Of U.S.-Born Children From Parents In 2013

OBAMA CONTINUES TO DEPORT DREAMERS

Originally Posted by BeeHive

I don't understand why you guys always defend Obama like he didn't deport anybody.

Obama administration kicks off family deportation raids

Deported veterans ask Obama for relief

When Jaime Valdez Reyes (31) was deported even though he lived in USA since he was 14.

After living for 21 years in the U.S., Ramos, 39, was deported to Mexico in September, separated from the two daughters and son she has raised as a single mother since her ex-husband left them seven years ago.

Deportation Separated Thousands Of U.S.-Born Children From Parents In 2013

OBAMA CONTINUES TO DEPORT DREAMERS

Originally Posted by IamAman

Hey person who just created their account a couple of weeks ago. Nobody is disputing that people were deported under Obama but the priority was on criminals and every now and then someone else also got caught up. It's completely different now. If you don't see that then you choose not to see that.