Editorial :Trump should show some political courage endorse Dream Act - Page 2

Why not? We we're 5 democratic votes away from making the dream act a reality back in 2010 and all 5 voted NAY in the senate. All 5 were democrats, and this was during the Obama administration. What makes you think they won't do it again? All this happened under a democratic controlled congress and White House, so I wouldn't be surprised if it happened again.

Their are 8 democratic senators who are vulnerable for the 2018 elections and a total of 25 senate seats that they have to defend. With so many blowback losses, I wouldn't be surprised if they all voted NAY for any type of immigration relief bill.

Oh just wait. Some of us are pessimists, and some of us are optimists. Both sides can make good arguments based on the vague shit that has been going on.

I will say this: We are about to enter the 8th month of the year, and Trump has not eliminated DACA, despite the pressure from his base. So, the argument that his political base will not allow any sort of immigration reform is weak. We already see that Trump disregards his political base on immigration because we still have DACA even though many of his supporters want mass deportation. This speaks louder than anything.

In any event, just wait. We can sit here hours theorizing about shit we do not know is going to happen. We are dealing with an unconventional administration. I do not know about all of you, but the reality is that the political will is there to get something done for at least dreamers. Is there opposition? Of course there is, but what proposal does not get opposition. We need a simple majority in the house (feasible) and 60 votes in the Senate (yes, feasible).

2010 is a whole different story than we have now. We have a Republican President who is speaking highly of dreamers and congressional Republicans willing to comprise.

The past is not a sure indicator of the future.

Just let shit happen and hope for the best. If Democrats were in control, we would probably still have pessimists saying nothing is going to happen because Dems have other legislative priorities and Repubs won't compromise. Guys overthink shit sometimes.

This about the current state of the Democratic Party now, not the GOP. Please re-read my post on why I don't believe the DREAM ACT has a chance of passing. The Republicans may be open to compromise, the Democrats not so much. You can't pass an immigration relief bill without any immigration enforcement bill, that's just reality, and the democrats have already said NO, they want a clean immigration citizenship for all bill and that's just not going to happen.

Also, no 2010 is not any different then now, if anything right now things are way worse for the Democratic Party then what it was back then. I doubt any vulnerable democratic senator who is running for re-election would want to touch an immigration relief bill. Specially those that are in states that President Trump won overwhelmingly.

We can argue all day about this. Both of us have differing views, but nobody knows what will happen despite the evidence we refer to. There ARE HUGE ASS political consequences to what you arguing for Dems. HUGE ONES. All or nothing approach? If Dems refuse to compromise, they will be just as guilty of the stalemate we have now. They ignore the issue when they had the majority, and now you think they will expose dreamers to risk because they stand for their all-or nothing approach? You do realize the consequences for them, don't you? Good luck at having a shot in the midterm elections. Again, we argue about this all day. We will just disagree. I say we just wait. There is a lot on the line. It's not as cookie cutter as you think it is.

You think democrats won't be shunned by their base if they abandon us if daca is eliminated? We are very ingrained individuals in the sense that you are not affecting just 800k plus people but all of their friends family coworkers colleges and fellow students. The stakes are much higher now for both democrats and republicans. Mind you, many moderate republicans have come to the table. The last bill easily passed the senate and would have possible passed the house but it was not put up for a vote. That was a large scale amnesty bill, now you want to tell me we won't at least get the bridge act to preserve the status quo?

I agree with this post.

It is political suicide for Dems to stand by for their all-or-nothing approach because there is so much on the line. This is a different time; dreamers already have a taste of what it is like to be out of the shadows. Exposing us to risk is just suicide for Dems. It will give Republicans ammo to finger point.

Also third parties that will continue to drive a wedge between democrats and millennials. Our friends and families will be just as pissed and upset as us!! There will be hell to pay for everyone.

"During the first six years, qualifying people would be granted "conditional" status and would be required to (a) graduate from a two-year community college or (b) complete at least two years towards a four-year degree or (c) serve two years in the US military. After this six-year period, those who meet at least one of these three conditions would be eligible to apply for permanent resident status. "

Fuq the Dream Act then, im not going to drop my hard earned job position to fuqing go to the army or go to college and get a debt that i avoided.

Democrats have already created their own political suicide with the passing of Obamacare. A net loss of 1,042 state and federal Democratic posts, including congressional and state legislative seats, governorships and the presidency since Obamacare passed.

Republicans have increased their control in state legislatures leaving Democrats with their lowest level since the Civil War. The Democrats can't afford an "amnesty" bill. It's very popular to be anti-immigration now a days, just ask the GOP. They won the majority of their races by being anti-immigration. Even winning moderate states.

If you think that these vulnerable democratic senators who are running for re-election in deep red states somehow need to be immigration friendly in order to win, boy are you in for a wake up call. This whole "political suicide" if your not immigrant friendly argument does not work in my opinion. Trump and the GOP have won major political races by being anti-immigration. Remember when we were saying how he was heading towards the political suicide of the GOP by being a hardcore anti-illegal immigration? Yeah how did that go come election time? Not only did they win, but they won BIG!

Now, do I believe that they will hang us dry completely ? I don't think so, I do believe the BRIDGE act has a better chance of passing just so they can extend this issue come election time. Another option could be that the lawsuit may be dismissed or President Trump will adjust DACA so it goes untouched for now. However I don't see a final solution anytime soon. Not with how dysfunctional congress is. They can't even agree on the most simplest issue but somehow we expect congress to come together and have sympathy for us and save us? Just the same way they have sympathy for everyone on Obamacare right? How is that going by the way?

I understand the optimism but reality has to kick in sooner or later.