"Dems Bluffed their way into victory" - Page 3

Originally Posted by year2010

like they are saving face for the party? I really hope this is true. Do you have any evidence, like something someone said, that this is taking place, or likely to take place? or This is just something you hope to happen?

Originally Posted by year2010

this is interesting. I haven't read this one. Do u have the link to this one?

Originally Posted by ceaguila

Trump hosting dinner tomorrow night with senators from both parties, WH says via @mkraju

Originally Posted by undoconyc

I see your point but it's not that simple. Riders attached to bills can be removed after the demands of the majority. Remember when a House committee voted to allow DREAMers to hold Federal jobs? It was quietly stripped from the bill.

Ryan's under pressure from the Freedom Caucus not to allow a clean DREAM Act to come to a vote. Also Government shutdowns down work. What will people think if they are denied essential services because of DREAMers? It won't go very well.

Originally Posted by eva02

But in reality, the filibuster is not wholly to blame. On the healthcare overhaul, Republicans used special budget rules that allow for majority passage, and they still lost. Tax reform could face the same outcome.

On the year-end battles, many Republicans will almost certainly vote against measures for more borrowing and spending unless they are coupled with reductions or other budget reforms to reduce deficits.

By withholding their votes, conservative Republicans are diluting the majority’s strength and denying Ryan and McConnell the leverage they need to bargain for those reforms. Such standoffs led one centrist Republican, Rep. Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, an influential leader of the GOP’s moderate wing, to announce this week he would not seek reelection — the third to do so.

Pelosi and Schumer, by providing the votes — the currency, as she called it — will continue to hold the more powerful deal-making position, not only to stop Republican efforts to defund Planned Parenthood or other partisan measures, but to push Democratic priorities.

Democrats already won a commitment from Trump during their White House meeting that he would sign into law the Dream Act, which would put the young immigrants on a path to legal status.

If the Dream Act is not considered before December, Democrats will probably work to add it and other measures — perhaps including one to shore up the Affordable Care Act — to the year-end package.

Originally Posted by eva02

My inclination is leading me to believe this from the change in narrative after Trump sided with the Democrats on the budget deal.

They can pass tax reform the same way they tried to dismantle Obamacare, without the need for Dem votes. The parties donors have probably listed this as the number 1 priority.
If they successfully pass tax reform, we may see them move to immigration, this would be sometime before March deadline. Imagine the party passing immigration reform as the only legislative win? Republicans would be pissed.

That's why their moving on to other things, they know Dems are going to attach this until it passes so there is no point in hearings, compromises or anything. They have the bill and they want to pass it clean no matter what. So they'll save face and keep from putting forth harmful "amnesty" votes and at the same time avoid all the bad PR from us going back to the shadows and being deported when DA passes.

Originally Posted by eva02

Their not gonna compromise because Dems want a clean bill.

Why waste the time when they can focus on tax reform? They have to spend a large amount of time collecting votes, bribing everyone with benefits for their states and districts.

If the Dems are gonna attach it to must pass legislation, what's the point?
They'll just sit back and say they were forced to vote for it. It's a win win for both parties.

Originally Posted by eva02

Riders are most effective when attached to an important bill, such as an appropriation bill, because to veto or postpone such a bill could delay funding to governmental programs, causing serious problems.

When the veto is an all-or-nothing power as it is in the United States Constitution, the executive must either accept the riders or reject the entire bill. The practical consequence of the custom of using riders is to constrain the veto power of the executive.

Originally Posted by undoconyc

One question. When was the last time a Government shutdown actually worked?

Originally Posted by year2010

https://www.axios.com/community/neal
this article then can possibly relate to your point

Originally Posted by eva02

Which one?