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Ryan “Democrats blew it on DACA” - Page 5

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11-30-2017, 03:04 PM
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No Mr. Speaker you blew it on DACA. That’s why we’re in the mess we’re in right now because of your failed leadership. The votes are there, you have been just too of a coward to bring it up for a vote.
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I guess we will all know by this December whether this standoff was good for us or not. I did see their move as a power move, but it honestly delays negotiations--that's the downside.
I would rather this downside than dems caving in and us only getting bridge. We'll see though. Fingers crossed.
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Dems should have gone in there and try to convince him. If it did not work then put the blame on Trump. They look like pussies for not going to meet Trump because of an absurd tweet.

Think about it logically instead of emotionally.
Well logically, when someone says no deal, you don't go in and try to make a deal. No deal is no deal. So logically, since you have the votes needed to pass the budget and the tax bill, you withhold your votes until they say a deal is possible.

If they were to go anywhere, after essentially being insulted and called names, then it works in democrat favor by increasing the stakes.

Logically this was the best option. Since logically Trump uses those tweets to soften the opposition and make them negotiate from a weaker position.

They called his bluff and now your chances of a greencard are higher.
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It’s unclear, though, whether such measure could pass without including provisions dealing with Dreamers.

Many Democrats have said they won’t lend support to any bill that doesn’t accommodate the Dreamers — the nearly 2 million illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children.
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Yes much better, if only more people were like that.
Playing devils advocate, most of us naturally side with democrats because they are the only ones making noise and fighting publicly for our cause. That is not to say ALL republicans are assholes. (I.e, Lindsay Graham, etc) without the Democrats making noise, repubs would be sitting on their hands in regard to a legislative fix to DACA.
With that said, I hope one day in your next life, you are a republican in the senate actually making noise and forcing change for issues like these.
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Beehive I think when people criticize the Republicans they go after their leadership not after the entire party as a whole. Yes they are some good ones, but their are probably more bad ones than good ones.
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Dude you cant censor the truth.

You know I make valid points, and I back it up with reasoning.

Everybody here tries to think one way or root for one team only. That is not how things work.

People need to stop being close minded.

I was only pointing out that in several threads you have chastised Pelosi for refusing to go to the meeting and not Schumer. I don't need to explain myself further than that.
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For the one or two of you Republican Dreamers on here, do you not see who your true enemy is now? If Republicans were pro Dreamer and pro immigration, they could have been the ones asking for a DACA fix instead of using this occasion as a convenient excuse to not act on it.
no one here is a republican.
and why would they be surprised about this?
ryan is retarded. don't know why you're all surprised about this.
it's gonna happen though, nothing they do will stop it now that even GOP members are coming out in support. so either they negotiate and every side gets something or dems man up and attach it to the spending bill and ryan and congress become embarrassments to the country. which would actually be good as midterms are coming up and people can actually vote in real republicans.
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Fuck u ryan piece of shit
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Daca no longer exists. Stop calling Dream Act negotiations Daca.
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which would actually be good as midterms are coming up and people can actually vote in real republicans.
Considering what is happening the real republicans now are Nazis and Pedophiles with the few sane ones being RINOs now. If you mean the old republicans they kinda died with Reagan and Gingrich's Contract on America.
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