Durbin's Statement on the White House immigration proposal - Page 8

Exactly. Makes no fucking sense. Especially for those DREAMers saying "tough luck but I deserve it even if it throws under the bus."

Fucking beautiful just beautiful


Seriously guy, wait for the actual bill to be on vote before you all go crazy for it.

There was a poll that said Americans did not think dreamers were worth shutting the government down over and this site went all crazy about it saying it was fake. Yesterday's announcement was huge. Everyone reported and I have cousins underage whose support for dreamers completely turned away because they did not like the fact they might not be able to sponsor their parents. Some of these things matters to actual USC and now there done thinking for us because now they're gonna have to decide. Do I support giving dreamers citizenship over my parents ?

And you think Trump and Republicans at large care about what is fair?

Look man (or woman),

I think that anyone that posts on this forum, if given control over what happens in regard to immigration, would undoubtedly choose to legalize Dreamers AND the rest of the 11 millions undocumented immigrants living in the country. I don't think anyone here thinks a border wall is a good idea, and would not choose to build one in a vacuum.

That being said, us having any sort of choice or control is not a reality. Those in power right now do not care about what is fair for you and me and our families. They don't see the realities that we have had to face. It's awful, but its real, has real consequences, and we have to deal with the messy reality.

Now, we can cling to ideology, or choose to engage in the messy politics of a confusing and often unjust world. I don't think anyone here is anti-Durbin on the basis that he is supporting us.

I think many, including myself, are frustrated with Durbin and far left organizations because they refuse to get their hands dirty at all. One could say that this is a brave and commendable position. However, this refusal to engage with the messy reality is a choice in itself that carries real consequences for real people. By remaining mounted on their ideological high horse and refusing to get their hands dirty, they are letting others have their will with us.

So, I ask you this: In a situation like the one we are faced with today, what is the best choice:

a) To refuse to get your hands dirty and negotiate because you are "above that'" and believe in fairness and just ideals but by doing this you allow and watch as others lose their DACA protections and their hope to live a productive life in America

b) Engage the world as it is, get your hands a little dirty, and allow an entire generation to thrive, succeed, and give them the opportunity to change the future of their people.

People like swim19 were rooting for having the gov shutdown. That is ridiculous.

Thank you! Glad to see their are still people in this forum with common sense.

Durbin knows what he is doing people here think he doesn't want shit for us. Expect that from Pelosi or Schumer or any other Democrat. He is keeping cool we are so close but he knows that the white house can release another framework less fucked up and work from There. After all wasn't Miller behind this framework? Once he is out it will be easier to get something really fair.

wall and end lottery visa for dreamers DONE deal

Huh? Dreamers don't qualify for lottery visas. Never have.

.... Oh god copper you know what he meant