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Senate pivots to stopgap 'Dreamers' deal - Page 2

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02-25-2018, 09:22 PM
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I see some of you are somewhat against the offer. I think you should reconsider your opinion. Congress cannot agree on anything. I think $7.6 billion for three years is fair. This is a temporary fix until we have suitable people who can agree on something. This is three years to formulate a plan.
Well Daca was terminated and the current renewals only got a bit of time thanks to the courts.

I agree with you. Sen. Patty Murray was in town this week and said that she and other Dems want to help as many as possible. Whatever 3yr relief must include all Dreamers, no age cap for all childhood arrivals. People like @IamAman should be covered considering Trump would get a lot more than the original 1.8 billion he'd requested.
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I see some of you are somewhat against the offer. I think you should reconsider your opinion. Congress cannot agree on anything. I think $7.6 billion for three years is fair. This is a temporary fix until we have suitable people who can agree on something. This is three years to formulate a plan.
Congress has had 6 years on this since DACA was introduced, they are never going to agree to something in three years.

Now is the time for permanent fix since we have the most support ever, three years from now it won't be the same.

Most of us will have near 2020 as the expiration date, and a new Democratic President will come in after 2020.

The Republicans will have to defend 20 Senate seats in 2020, so there is a very good chance we will have Democratic President, Senate and House after 2020.

Then DACA is the very least we will get.

It does not make sense for Democrats to support this bill. We do not get any kind of real benefits from it, but it allows Trump to campaign on "I built the wall!".
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Dems shouldn't cave until they see the court rulings finalized. If they let this go through and we find out that the court just ends up keeping daca alive, they would've just given 7.6 billion for nothing.

If they're going to give the 7.6 billion they better make it either add additional people or something else to sweeten the deal.
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I will be surprised if Trump supports this shitty idea. Trump already rejected this idea when he was vouching for the Grassley bill.

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Congress has had 6 years on this since DACA was introduced, they are never going to agree to something in three years.

Now is the time for permanent fix since we have the most support ever, three years from now it won't be the same.

Most of us will have near 2020 as the expiration date, and a new Democratic President will come in after 2020.

The Republicans will have to defend 20 Senate seats in 2020, so there is a very good chance we will have Democratic President, Senate and House after 2020.

Then DACA is the very least we will get.

It does not make sense for Democrats to support this bill. We do not get any kind of real benefits from it, but it allows Trump to campaign on "I built the wall!".
So what happens if the program ends based on SCOTUS decision later this year? Now everyone who's permit expires in one to two years will be at risk. With nothing in place, they will be fair game. To be honest, its a shit offer but I see it like this, the benefits of having something in place outweighs holding out on any deal. This of course is my opinion, but it seems that's the only deal they would most likely agree on.
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So what happens if the program ends based on SCOTUS decision later this year? Now everyone who's permit expires in one to two years will be at risk. With nothing in place, they will be fair game. To be honest, its a shit offer but I see it like this, the benefits of having something in place outweighs holding out on any deal. This of course is my opinion, but it seems that's the only deal they would most likely agree on.
At least I'd have closure bro.

This shit will make me feel like a terminal cancer patient. "Work and have fun for 3 years because you are fucked by then."
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None of us can assume Trump won't get re-elected either.

Overall, we shouldn't even be arguing about this. We all know Trump dislikes this patch idea. He already said so.
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So what happens if the program ends based on SCOTUS decision later this year? Now everyone who's permit expires in one to two years will be at risk. With nothing in place, they will be fair game. To be honest, its a shit offer but I see it like this, the benefits of having something in place outweighs holding out on any deal. This of course is my opinion, but it seems that's the only deal they would most likely agree on.
I don't understand what you mean by everyone whose permit expires in one or two years will be at risk. Our deferred action status is tied to the approved application's expiration date.

SCOTUS is not ruling on DACA's constitutionality, they are ruling on the administration's failure to follow APA to cancel DACA.

When / if SCOTUS ends DACA later this year, a good number of people will have their renewals in already. Their status will go through 2020.

The rest (including me) will have expiration date in late 2o19.

Then we wait for the next Democratic President to come in.
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I don't understand what you mean by everyone whose permit expires in one or two years will be at risk. Our deferred action status is tied to the approved application's expiration date.

When / if SCOTUS ends DACA later this year, a good number of people will have their renewals in already. Their status will go through 2020.

The rest (including me) will have expiration date in late 2o19.

Then we wait for the next Democratic President to come in.
That is not guaranteed to happen bro.

We might as well get some sort of permanent daca fix now--even if it is renewable DACA.

Flake is such a weak bitch.
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