Mark Meadows: House Freedom Caucus moving to give DACA recipients citizenship - Page 4

Right. #1 is fine as long as it doesn’t demolish the current family based system.

If their compromise wasn’t somewhere near one of these two options, moderates would have already backed out of the deal. Moderate Republicans appear to have realized that the FC is driving the entire party over the cliff and they, just like the rest of these politicians, want to keep their seats.

We’ll see. Like I said, this is my opinion based on what we’re hearing/reading. If it is reasonable, and the clown doesn’t blow up the deal maybe Turtle will bring it up in the Senate. THAT is the biggest hurdle at this point.

only deal i can see realistically passing is GC status for the 700k DACAers and border wall funding + ending DV lottery and restrictions on sponsorship for those with this status.
coverage for more people just means you're going to have to give more and more of what republicans want, which i'm sure all of you understand isn't going to happen.

DACA-Eligible Persons
The original DACA (almost 1.26 million) and the DACA-plus (259,000) programs cover an estimated 1,517,000 persons or roughly 14 percent of the US undocumented population. Between 2012 and 2015, US Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS) approved 699,832 “initial” (as distinguished from renewal) DACA applications.10 By contrast, the DACA-plus program has not been implemented due to the court challenge. This paper analyzes the two populations separately, while recognizing that the relatively small size of the DACA-plus population makes it diffcult to compare or draw distinctions between the two groups. That said, potential DACA-plus benefciaries are, on average, older, have longer tenure in the United States, earn more, and are married at higher rates than the original DACA-eligible. This is due to the elimination of an upward age restriction in the DACA-plus program.
Given the DAPA eligibility requirements and the relative youth of the DACA-eligible, it is not surprising that the DACA-eligible have far fewer US citizen and LPR children than the DAPA-eligible. As stated, 175,600 DACA-eligible are also DAPA-eligible, meaning they both arrived as children and have a US citizen or LPR child. The DACA-eligible are also married at far lower rates than the DAPA-eligible. For original DACA, 9 percent are married, including 4 percent to a US citizen or legal noncitizen, which would potentially qualify them for a family-based visa. Of the DACA-plus population, 22 percent are married, including 6 percent to a US citizen or a legal noncitizen. The marriage rates of the DACA- eligible will increase substantially in the upcoming years, as will other opportunities for them to secure permanent legal status.
Like the DAPA-eligible, most potential DACA benefciaries have lived in the United States for long periods. Eighty-fve percent of those eligible for the original DACA program and 72 percent of those eligible for DACA-plus have lived in the United States for more than 10 years. Nineteen percent of the original DACA population and 65 percent of the DACA-plus population have been US residents for more than 20 years (Figure 5). Forty- fve percent of the original DACA-eligible entered before 2000, compared to 72 percent of those eligible for DACA-plus.
9 Several studies have detailed the negative developmental, emotional, and economic effects of the loss of a parent (through removal or otherwise) to his or her children and family (Chaudry et al. 2010; Dreby
2015). Other studies have described the economic and social benefts of legalization programs, including the original DACA program.
10 USCIS, “Number of I-821D, Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals by Fiscal Year, Quarter, Intake, Biometrics and Case Status: 2012-2015 (September 30),” https://www.uscis.gov/sites/ default/fles/USCIS/Resources/Reports%20and%20Studies/Immigration%20Forms%20Data/All%20 Form%20Types/DACA/I821_daca_performancedata_fy2015_qtr4.pdf.

Original study:
http://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-p...-of-daca-dapa/

There are not 3MM+ Dreamers. Stop propagating right-wing lies, least of all on a Dream Act forum. I am going to start posting links on Twitter of these ridiculous claims/posts.

everyone pretty much understood what he was trying to say besides you, but congrats on your bloviating tl;dr post.

" There are not 3MM+ Dreamers. Stop propagating right-wing lies, least of all on a Dream Act forum. I am going to start posting links on Twitter of these ridiculous claims/posts." = LIE

study already says that there is nearly 1.7 mill daca eligible DACA beneficiaries.

stop lying all the time, so do u want a DACA bill that only covers 1.7 mil eligible only for DACA or Dream Act that covers all childhood arrivals? you are so full of BS on all of your posts.

The political debate over the fate of "DREAMers" — undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. as children — has overlooked just how many there are in the country today: about 3.6 million.

That number of people whose lives risk being uprooted is not widely known, in large part because so much public attention has been focused recently on 800,000 mostly young DREAMers accepted into the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

This smaller group of DREAMers is in the spotlight because President Trump terminated DACA in September, saying it was an illegal overreach of executive authority that can only come from Congress, which is negotiating with Trump on a compromise immigration plan.

The 3.6 million estimate of undocumented immigrants brought to U.S. before their 18th birthday comes from the Migration Policy Institute, a non-partisan, non-profit think tank that studies global immigration patterns. That is roughly a third of all undocumented immigrants in the country and does not include millions of their immediate family members who are U.S. citizens.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/rese...nder-different

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...re/1042134001/

If I recall correctly USCIS estimated 1.5 million, they've got about 880k. By my own guess there cannot be more than maybe 100k more.

Either we have 50% living under rocks or there just aren't that many of us.

Wouldn't be surprised if a whole-sale amnesty were to pass and like 6 million people were to apply.

This is really the problem with any such study, you are trying to enumerate a population that avoids being enumerated. Hell, read the disclaimer on the bottom of that chart, they acknowledge that it's based upon assumptions, visibly not very good ones.

that's just DACA eligible people and they got 800k of us.

that does not take into account "All Childhood Arrivals" and Non-DACA people like dtrt09 that could be covered under a Dream Act like amnesty.

i mean we can throw numbers but are there really 11 million undocumented people here or is it more or less?

i've read the stats, and despite coming from sources i don't like, it's not just 11 million undocumented people.
i have little reason to doubt said statistics, especially since the people backing them have $$$ to lose if they're being dishonest and inaccurate about them.
if you doubt me, you can do the research yourself, but do you really think that the number of 11 million has been stagnant and not increased whatsoever, since the first time they brought the number up?
and again, you need to consider the people who are actively avoiding being accounted for.

yeah i get it, but thats why i disagree with there only being 1.5 eligible Dreamers for DACA.

if a Dream Act like amnesty passes, i can see more than 3-5 million apply, since dtrt09 wants "all childhood arrivals" be covered. if a DACA only bill passes, it wont cover her bcuz she doesnt qualify.

i doubt there are only 1.5m childhood arrivals, i mean we got 50 year olds here like iAmAman and DACA-IR-DA, they are both childhood arrivals.

I'd put 11 million as the upper bound and realistically expect about 8 million. The numbers really come from right-wingers and other psychopaths.

When government assumptions don't match the numbers then something is wrong with the assumptions.

I am only talking about original DACA, the one with a 30 year age limit. eDACA would could tack on another 300-400k but it's hard to say since it never happened. DAPA could feasibly throw in millions considering all the mixed status families.

Unfortunately it's hard to say how many there are because neither actually took effect for people to apply and be enumerated.