Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate - Page 7

@frankthorp
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McConnell and Schumer just announced on the Senate floor there will be TWO VOTES on Thursday at 2:30pm:
1) Pres Trump's proposal
2) A CR that re-opens govt until Feb 8

Both need 60 votes to pass.

i have...
many times...
that you didn't notice it was probably cause of the other 1000 people also criticizing them.

Not living in the past. It's called managing expectations. If Dems failed to deliver with a super majority, I don't know why anyone feels that they will be able to deliver now as a minority party without the express consent of the Republicans (Trump). No amount of political posturing, impeachment, or "3d chess move" outweighs these facts.

The reason Republicans aren't criticized for this issue is because they aren't the ones promising to fix it. They want to do nothing in the best case or deport in the worst case. People are elected based on the ideas they support. Why would we hold Republicans responsible for something they never promised?

Obama promised to address CIR within the first year of his first term. DACA was a last ditch effort to win reelection in his 4th year of the first term. (Hillary countered 100 days fyi).

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF7SjTnMAQ4

you renewing your DACA after SCOTUS' not taking it up today?

Shit. Noooo keep it shut! But okay fine... Feb 8th.

Arguably, the democrats took a bigger political loss by enacting DACA via executive action after the vote failed. On top of that, they shutdown the government partially for DACA last year.

If they purposefully intended for the votes to fail, DACA would've never existed.

For one to use an event that happened 8 years ago, while ignoring the more current events, to justify the current sentiment is simply propaganda. It's the same argument that democrats use to have members from the kkk so democrats is still the racist party.

If you say in 2008 the democrats "wanted it to fail", that can be argued. But to say that this is the current democrat's sentiment is wrong as you've ignored recent events. If I tell you someone voted democrat in 2008 but voted republican every single election after that to now, would you still argue that person is a democrat today?

Perhaps it stems from personal anger or something but making these arguments are not logical as it favors old events, ignoring more recent events, in order to make a statement about the current sentiment. At best it's an emotional response, at worst it's malice.

Therefore, such an argument should deserve nothing but *crickets* from the people here. We are in 2019, not in 2008.

Harry Reid’s political life was on the line when he brought the DA to the floor in 2010.

Plenty of his advisers kept telling him that bringing the DA to the floor would be political suicide and that he would lose re-election in 2010.

For anyone to say that he would put a bill to a vote, risking his political career knowing that the Democrats would purposely want it to fail it’s comical.

in other words, you're basically saying "things not cooperating with my political affiliaton shouldn't be taken into consideration ever."
nice 1984 tactic. the sentiment of his post was to shed light on how the party has treated the issue. i think it's pretty relevant.

It was relevant in 2008, less relevant in 2010, even less relevant in 2012, and even less relevant today.

I'm not saying don't talk about it, but if that's the only thing you post ( something from 2008 ) and most importantly IGNORING more recent events that contradicts your claim, is not right. It is arguably exactly what you're saying, which is "things not cooperating with my political affiliaton shouldn't be taken into consideration ever."

Imagine the scenario where a person voted democrat in 2008 and voted republican ever election after that.

Person A says "because this person voted democrat in 2008, this person is still a democrat in 2019".

Would you be inclined to agree with person A? Would you claim person "A" is arguing in good faith? Would you say person A is taking consideration into events that doesn't cooperate with person A's political affiliation?

nice analysis and you are right on every point. great political commentary.

how does all this affect you personally?