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Senate Democrats have prepared an alternative proposal for the Parliamentarian’s cons - Page 2

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09-20-2021, 03:56 PM
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8 million was way too big of a number

Essential workers including Uber eats drivers? LMAO of course no.

Stick to DACAs only
But she said that since legalization would make an huge impact in the life of immigrants that it outweighs the 100+ billion dollars. With that logic, even one person being legalized would outweigh any budgetary impact. She's not budging, she probably got the direction from her political masters.
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I don’t do UBER eats but damn why shouldn’t they? People were scared to go out and get stuff done in person so technically they should qualify because delivery people were a huge part of the pandemic.
The way people in this forum think about non-DACAers is the same way republicans thing about all immigrants.
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The parliamentarian seemed very focused on the essential worker provision:

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The current proposal would waive the relevant sections of the INA,
and create a new class of alien who is eligible for adjustment of status, including a wholly new
category of persons called “essential critical infrastructure workers” (derived from a 16 page list
that covers 18 major categories and over 220 sub-categories of employment). The provision also
includes conditions of ineligibility for these applicants along with waivers of many of those
disqualifiers at the discretion of DHS. It is by any standard a broad, new immigration policy.
I'd say removing the essential worker provision and just focusing on the DACA could probably pass the Byrd Rule? I think you can justify converting an EAD to a LPR.
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Trying to push immigration into a reconciliation bill was a political move by Dems. Parliamentarian has questioned the entire concept of legalizing the undocumented, and not just the numbers/approach, etc.

I can't think of any way around this within reconciliation, unfortunately, as long as the outcome of the policy change is giving green cards. [The whole registry date approach is nonsensical]. Reconciliation is not the vehicle for it.

My position on immigration reform is work on targeted bills, not a ginormous immigration reform. Start with the low hanging fruit of active DACA recipients, etc. (I am selfish ) .

Democrats should have focused on smaller "wins" every year, let's say. But they chose political noise over practicality.

Now Democrats will go into midterms saying "we tried but the parliamentarian let us down." At which point, the voters will ask "who the hell is the parliamentarian", and they will vote them out!
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Trying to push immigration into a reconciliation bill was a political move by Dems. Parliamentarian has questioned the entire concept of legalizing the undocumented, and not just the numbers/approach, etc.

I can't think of any way around this within reconciliation, unfortunately, as long as the outcome of the policy change is giving green cards. [The whole registry date approach is nonsensical]. Reconciliation is not the vehicle for it.

My position on immigration reform is work on targeted bills, not a ginormous immigration reform. Start with the low hanging fruit of active DACA recipients, etc. (I am selfish ) .

Democrats should have focused on smaller "wins" every year, let's say. But they chose political noise over practicality.

Now Democrats will go into midterms saying "we tried but the parliamentarian let us down." At which point, the voters will ask "who the hell is the parliamentarian", and they will vote them out!
If it was that simple, it would have been done. Good luck finding enough votes in the Senate.
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The parliamentarian seemed very focused on the essential worker provision:



I'd say removing the essential worker provision and just focusing on the DACA could probably pass the Byrd Rule? I think you can justify converting an EAD to a LPR.
Exactly.

EW clause is what makes it so onerous.
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Exactly.

EW clause is what makes it so onerous.
If latest news is to be followed, next "proposal" is Dreamers only immigration. If by Dreamers they strictly mean active and eligible DACA recipient, then the keys points are:

1. All DACA recipients either have an EAD or can get one. From EAD to LPR is not as big of a change as going from nothing to LPR. [Is this too big of a policy change???]

2. Giving DACA recipients permanent residency, will it have a big enough budgetary impact????

None of this looks promising.
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If latest news is to be followed, next "proposal" is Dreamers only immigration. If by Dreamers they strictly mean active and eligible DACA recipient, then the keys points are:

1. All DACA recipients either have an EAD or can get one. From EAD to LPR is not as big of a change as going from nothing to LPR. [Is this too big of a policy change???]

2. Giving DACA recipients permanent residency, will it have a big enough budgetary impact????

None of this looks promising.
She pretty much signaled that she's a no regardless of the argument.
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Parliamentarian: "It's gonna be a no for me dawg"
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