Durbin's Statement on the White House immigration proposal - Page 10
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Originally Posted by Copper
First of all read all of my recent post. I have been one of the few that has been consistently saying to relax, this isn’t the final draft, these are only the beginning of negotiations, so nice try buddy!
Secondly you would think you’d learn by now that Durbin alone will not get us anything. It takes more than just Durbin. Not to mention his relationship with the president and the White House isn’t at an all time high. It’s also well known that the White House has been working OT to tell GOP senators to vote against the Durbin bill. His bill has already been pronounced dead on arrival. Thirdly, if the Democrats never had the shut down leverage has you say, then why even shut down the government period? Makes no sense if they never had a real strategy. Lastly if your expecting for Durbin to be our Superman then boy are you in for a disappointment. Durbin alone can’t get it done. It has been done, and it has failed. Even his bed buddy Graham has gone on record to say we need the gang of 60. |
And you are right Durbin alone can't get us anything nor the other democrats. But they can get a better offer for all the shit the GOP is asking.
And that's where the real leverage is at. The gop wants to reform the immigration system. And the democrats can prevent that from happening. That's why they never had a fucking shut down leverage.
Because the GOP wants to "fix" the immigration system.
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Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21
Didn't know I had to read all your posts to make a counter argument to a reply I got from you.
And you are right Durbin alone can't get us anything nor the other democrats. But they can get a better offer for all the shit the GOP is asking. And that's where the real leverage is at. The gop wants to reform the immigration system. And the democrats can prevent that from happening. That's why they never had a fucking shut down leverage. Because the GOP wants to "fix" the immigration system. |
Can we get a better deal than this? Of course we can, no one is saying we can’t, that’s why it’s called negotiations, but Durbin alone won’t be able to get it done, and even if he does try to get it done alone, it will either be blocked by the White House or Schumer himself. So quite frankly to leave it all on Durbin it be a waste of valuable time. It’s been done and that’s failed, now it’s time to move on from that and get everyone involved.
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Originally Posted by Copper
Yes, that’s how it works, you can’t just say something without having anything to back off your claim. Having a disagreement with someone does not mean panicking. There’s a huge difference. No one is saying the sky is falling.
Can we get a better deal than this? Of course we can, no one is saying we can’t, that’s why it’s called negotiations, but Durbin alone won’t be able to get it done, and even if he does try to get it done alone, it will either be blocked by the White House or Schumer himself. So quite frankly to leave it all on Durbin it be a waste of valuable time. It’s been done and that’s failed, now it’s time to move on from that and get everyone involved. |
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Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21
So your point is that you are not panicking and then the rest you basically agree with me?
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Originally Posted by Copper
More like you’re agreeing with me because you went from trust Durbin he can do it alone to no he can’t we need everyone on board. My work here is done.
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Yeah your work here is done since you can't make counter arguments other than "first of all I'm not panicking "
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Originally Posted by Smooth
This better be political posturing.
Since some of you say we don't have any leverage, why are we being so picky on this framework then. After all, we don't have any leverage. |
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This better be political posturing.
Since some of you say we don't have any leverage, why are we being so picky on this framework then. After all, we don't have any leverage and can't choose. |
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Originally Posted by JayR9
It's pointless for whitehouse to put out framework that are nonstarters. It just poison the well on compromise.
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The other leverage we had were the Democrats and their shutdown threat. They threw that all away by reopening the government without their desired compromise on dreamers. So, like I have said before, we really cannot dictate to the GOP now anymore. I am not a big fan of those concessions either. But what are you going to do about it? The only thing you can do is choose nothing and wait or prepare to leave, honestly.
The fact that they are willing offer citizenship in 10-12 years for 1.8 million dreamers is a huge concession on their behalf.
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