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Upcoming Rubio bill: what type of visa process would we support? - Page 2

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Travel, Work, Drive and most importantly being able to somehow the speed up the time it would take to become a citizen either by marriage or through joining a military branch.


note how I said speed up, because I'm sure they (The GOP) will oppose anything that lets people skip "ahead of the line", so instead of it taking 13 years, I'm saying you could probably get it reduced to 7 or 8 years. We'll really see what the GOP think about CIR/Dreamers once this bill is out, and how they want to coerce latino voters to their side.

As far as requirements?

2 year degree or armed forces enlistment.


and obviously this would be a visa with a path to citizenship.
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Travel, Work, Drive and most importantly being able to somehow the speed up the time it would take to become a citizen either by marriage or through joining a military branch.


note how I said speed up, because I'm sure they (The GOP) will oppose anything that lets people skip "ahead of the line", so instead of it taking 13 years, I'm saying you could probably get it reduced to 7 or 8 years. We'll really see what the GOP think about CIR/Dreamers once this bill is out, and how they want to coerce latino voters to their side.

As far as requirements?

2 year degree or armed forces enlistment.


and obviously this would be a visa with a path to citizenship.

--I think a 4 year degree shows we're serious about contributing to the economy. --A 2 yr degree is too easy to get..

--2 yrs in the military

--no criminal record

--no freebies like food stamps..

--2,000 fine (even though it's not our fault but it will put reps minds at ease)

--5 yr visa should be granted once degree is earned or time is served

--I don't care if I can't become a citizen for 10 yrs, I'm good as long as I'm legal.
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Any Visa process that does not require us to leave. Great initiative this Smooth. You're right. We should accept this new bill if it is fairly reasonable. Going forward, the public/supreme court will realize the injustice in the fact that we are paying taxes as citizens and being a part of allocation of representatives yet CAN'T vote.
Even if it does require to leave as long as you are guaranteed an entry back to USA.
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I could deal with Rubio's bill if it was this. My only issue is that I just want to know how marriage to a USC/PR would affect your status in the future.

It allows you to finish school. It allows you to drive. It allows you to live without having to worry about ICE deporting you. It allows you to support yourself. I hate that it's not DREAM, but if this is what's on the table I'll take peace and security for the moment over eventual citizenship in a country that didn't want me anyway.
Doesn't it say that you would get some kind of visa that doesn't put you on track to citizenship, but doesn't bar it under current law. In other words, it would appear from the chatter that if you would have to gain citizenship as it exists under current law, wouldn't that make it all of the sudden easier to adjust through marriage?

Maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part.
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Doesn't it say that you would get some kind of visa that doesn't put you on track to citizenship, but doesn't bar it under current law. In other words, it would appear from the chatter that if you would have to gain citizenship as it exists under current law, wouldn't that make it all of the sudden easier to adjust through marriage?

Maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part.
I'm assuming that as well, but I want to see the actual wording of the bill. As you can tell, I still don't trust them to produce a solution that doesn't ultimately screw us over in that respect.
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-Travel
-Work
-Drive
-Will not take too long for green card
-Renewable for however many times required
-We can stay here as legal residents as the files become processed
-We can become legal residents fast through marriage
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I'm assuming that as well, but I want to see the actual wording of the bill. As you can tell, I still don't trust them to produce a solution that doesn't ultimately screw us over in that respect.
That's exactly what I am worried about. This is why any requirements that are drafted up as a bargaining point with Rubio need to shoot for more than what would be ultimately acceptable. That way they could bargain back down to something that will work for them but is still reasonable for most dreamers.

What a terrible situation this is to have live like this...
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I hope all of yall read this... In my opinion the original DREAM act was watered down enough. I feel the same need yall feel by jumping on the possibility of getting legalized as soon as possible, and right now Rubio's DREAM act alternative seems to be that open door. The facts are that I want to be a citizen of this country and I want to earn it, but the plan Rubio has proposed will put most of us on the road to failure. We will not be able to work outside of school so must rely on our financial aid, and I'm sure if we are caught working that will ban us from getting residency. We won't be able to get driver's license here either under those types of visa's. My dad had one and he got a driver's license and they gave him a 3 year ban. We will just be put in a temporary situation that we may not make it out of like we want. With our dreams fulfilled.

Senator Durbin and others have worked really hard for 10 years to get the current DREAM act approved. We should be grateful and stick with him and hope for Bi- partisan support. We have to reject this new act because it may solve our problem with being undocumented, but it won't fulfill our dreams!!!!! The most important part of the DREAM act to me! Enlighten yourself and think more clearly about this alternative before you support it. I personally will stick with the Durbin DREAM act. I hope you do the same. To me this is not about politics it is about my future.
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Damn I posted on the wrong thread, but still what I wanted to say. In accordance to this thread this is how I think it should be...

-A 5 year visa non-renewable to finish secondary school, or enlist in the military.
-After enlistment in military and signed contract immediate ability to apply for permanent residency, or after graduating from secondary school. Failure to complete military contract revokes application for permanent residency. Failure to graduate within 5 year visa the ability to apply for permanent residency is lost, and must leave until a new visa is acquired out side of the U.S.
-Able to work in any state, have driver's license in any state, file taxes, able to travel outside of the U.S. for no more than 365 for all 5 years.

Now you can see why I still support the original DREAM act. I am not looking for immediate citizenship, but a chance to earn it. The Rubio's dream act will only change one thing about my situation, but give me a temporary visa. I want a promise that if I fulfill my part of the deal I will be given citizenship even if it takes a few years. His act does not promise this. Many of yall that are overstayers will be given another visa do your part of the deal apply for residency and become overstayers again. I don't want a renewable visa because I don't want to live on a visa the rest of my life. I want to be a citizen of the only country I ever known as my home. I know I will do my part, but this new deal does not promise what will fulfill my dream.
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^^

I totally agree with you. The VISA thing sounds good for now, comming out of having nothing. But, if they hand out something that would turn out to be uneasily renewable, or with very strict limits--which I hope wouldn't be the case--then they are just creating another wave of future visa overstayers.
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