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DHS document shows Obama administration wrestling with ‘DREAM Act' policy - Page 2

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08-10-2012, 06:44 PM
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Nearly two months after President Obama announced a controversial decision to bypass Congress and use his executive powers to spare younger illegal immigrants from the threat of deportation, Fox News has obtained a draft document that shows officials at the Department of Homeland Security wrestling internally with how to implement the new policy.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz23A4HXPic






http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...am-act-policy/
You should know better about posting articles coming from Faux News, shame on you.
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Well, the only useful thing I see in that article is the following:


For those who worry about being denied -- based on the above, the denial process will involve more than one person reviewing the case to make that it is indeed worthy of a denial.
That's a big relief.
Whew' im very glad that each individual case will be double checked before it gets denied.
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Where can we see the 92 pages?
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Well, the only useful thing I see in that article is the following:


For those who worry about being denied -- based on the above, the denial process will involve more than one person reviewing the case to make that it is indeed worthy of a denial.

Uhhh, I read that as "As the person doesn't qualify for DACA, we're now going to add that person's information to the database of non-low priority deportable aliens."

Think of it this way:

Congress has allocated $X to deport aliens. With $X it's possible for ICE to deport Y amount of aliens per year. This means that ICE better deport Y aliens per year or there will be hearings and people's asses are gonna be ridden. Now, since deportations for DACA people are going to be stayed -- that means that ICE has to make up the deportation deficit and deport other people. If you apply for DACA and don't get it, then you're an easy target for deportation. I know that USCIS said they won't forward your information to ICE directly, but if you have a background check done on you then you never know what they're going to find in there -- for all you know there's a deportation order against you that was approved in absentia.
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Congress has allocated $X to deport aliens. With $X it's possible for ICE to deport Y amount of aliens per year. This means that ICE better deport Y aliens per year or there will be hearings and people's asses are gonna be ridden. Now, since deportations for DACA people are going to be stayed -- that means that ICE has to make up the deportation deficit and deport other people. If you apply for DACA and don't get it, then you're an easy target for deportation. I know that USCIS said they won't forward your information to ICE directly, but if you have a background check done on you then you never know what they're going to find in there -- for all you know there's a deportation order against you that was approved in absentia.
True, and yet if they really wanted to, they wouldn't let people with deportation orders apply. Still, anyone outside detention can qualify. I don't think ICE worries too much about its ass. It already catches enough flak from crazies as is that any reduction in deportation statistics won't really matter. Plus, Romney's not about to play hardball on immigration when he doesn't even have a bat to swing. ICE Unions would get pissed, but that's all they do anyway. Nothing new here.
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Uhhh, I read that as "As the person doesn't qualify for DACA, we're now going to add that person's information to the database of non-low priority deportable aliens."
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Based on everything I've read so far from USCIS directly and from analyses on DACA, they will only initially deny those people who clearly don't qualify: 1) you don't meet the age requirement, e.g your birth certificate clearly shows you're 32, yet you applied hoping they'd let you slide; 2) your record looks unquestionably bad, e.g. a felony, assault, rape, armed robbery, multiple misdemeanors, time spent in prison, etc.

For everyone who meets the age requirement, and whose record comes back clean, I believe they will issue Requests of Evidence if the evidence presented doesn't properly show you meet the other time-sensitive requirements; I don't think they'll deny you right off the bat in those cases.

So, say, they suspect someone hasn't provided enough or proper evidence to prove they arrived before the age of 16, even after a Request for Evidence has been issued, then they'd submit the case to supervisory review to decide whether to deny it then.

For everyone else in between -- you meet the age, residence and school requirements, but you've had some problems with the law (a DUI, arrests, etc., but no felonies) -- you're right to be worried as those are the cases where true discretionary measures will be used, i.e. it's a toss-up at this point what they will or will not approve in cases like that; and even then, just because a case with a DUI was approved doesn't mean the next one with a DUI will -- it's based on the overall, individual case, and the officers adjudicating it.

All others without anything on their criminal record, and with solid evidence for all requirements, you have nothing to worry about.

My opinion.
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Based on everything I've read so far from USCIS directly and from analyses on DACA, they will only initially deny those people who clearly don't qualify: 1) you don't meet the age requirement, e.g your birth certificate clearly shows you're 32, yet you applied hoping they'd let you slide; 2) your record looks unquestionably bad, e.g. a felony, assault, rape, armed robbery, multiple misdemeanors, time spent in prison, etc.

For everyone who meets the age requirement, and whose record comes back clean, I believe they will issue Requests of Evidence if the evidence presented doesn't properly show you meet the other time-sensitive requirements; I don't think they'll deny you right off the bat in those cases.

So, say, they suspect someone hasn't provided enough or proper evidence to prove they arrived before the age of 16, even after a Request for Evidence has been issued, then they'd submit the case to supervisory review to decide whether to deny it then.

For everyone else in between -- you meet the age, residence and school requirements, but you've had some problems with the law (a DUI, arrests, etc., but no felonies) -- you're right to be worried as those are the cases where true discretionary measures will be used, i.e. it's a toss-up at this point what they will or will not approve in cases like that; and even then, just because a case with a DUI was approved doesn't mean the next one with a DUI will -- it's based on the overall, individual case, and the officers adjudicating it.

All others without anything on their criminal record, and with solid evidence for all requirements, you have nothing to worry about.

My opinion.
Really thought I would think they concentrate on the 4 key things. 1. Were you here before turning 15? 2. Have you been since 2007-2012? 3. Proof of being here or close to June 15th 2012 and June 15 2007. 4. Proof of being here on August 15th 2012. If you pass this, then you ll move to the next stage. I think things that will matter base on the things that they have ask us. Do you live alone or with parents? Are you in school or want to further your education? Ect. However, I don't think these really matter since all they really want is more mules to work and the first thing they will really care is about if you have been charged, arrested or convicted since they don't need a biometric check for that if you are checking that you are. I believe they will be filtered out first for further checking and move to a different router than the rest. Second stage would probably be to further check on those people who passed first stage (meet 4 important criterias and checked no for if they have been arrested, charged or convicted) If passed, then the third logical stage would be to check for biometrics. I think this will be the first critical step because if you checked YES when asked about arrests, charges or convictions, and your background checks out that you lied, then you will be automatically be denied and information sent to ICE.
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why is this in the news section?
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